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Tom....fucking seriously? Read the second to last sentence in Justin's post.
Yeah I went online and read all around. No one could confirm that there was any special break-in ECU programming. ALSO I've looked at dyno graphs of cars with 3-5,000 miles on them (such as a before and after intake install dyno) and it STILL HAS THE SAME FUCKING DIP!!!!!

The only thing anyone has attributed any increase in response feeling to is the drive line loosening up.
 

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It almost sounds to me like the valve timing switchover point. I know in years past Vtec always had a certain RPM that was the switchover point but I would imagine that the new BRZ engine is advanced enough to have it as an intelligent system so that the point is variable.
 

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Yeah I went online and read all around. No one could confirm that there was any special break-in ECU programming. ALSO I've looked at dyno graphs of cars with 3-5,000 miles on them (such as a before and after intake install dyno) and it STILL HAS THE SAME FUCKING DIP!!!!!

The only thing anyone has attributed any increase in response feeling to is the drive line loosening up.
I haven't done before and after dynos, and I'm sure this dip would still show up on a graph. I suspect that my dip may have been bigger and settled in to the one we're all used to. I did see references to the 100 mile break-in program in the FRS forums, but none of that is confirmed and it's not really a big enough deal for me to start hounding service departments over it.

It could certainly be that I just got used to it, but I'm certainly not noticing it as drastically as I did before. Shifting into that dead zone was terrible.

-Justin
 

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The ECUTek flash seems to help *some* but its still there.

EcuTek Stage 1 Flash for the BRZ and FR-S

From what I can gather the Subaru DAVCS does not do any lift, its merely the same thing as dual VVT-i. Honda and Fiat seem to have a lock on the variable lift/timing game. The one cause I was thinking might be a cause for the dip would be that the "small" cam was just merely out of breath at 4500rpm when the switchover would happen but that does not appear to be the case as there is no lift in play...

I'm wondering whats happening that volumetric efficiency drops at that point. Since an aftermarket flash couldnt cure it, I'm left to believe its a mechanical issue. Port shape or size, or maybe intake manifold having some sort of variable plenum chamber? (Does it have anything like that? I've never seen anything on it)
 

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So far, I've only changed the oil on this car. I haven't spent much time under the hood. I did install a header-back exhaust on a BRZ, but I was under the car.

I would think that if it were a variable volume intake or extra chambers with a certain rpm crossover point, someone would have identified that pretty early and come up with a solution for it. I know that butterfly removal is usually examined pretty early as a potential hp upgrade on car that have these things.

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So far, I've only changed the oil on this car. I haven't spent much time under the hood. I did install a header-back exhaust on a BRZ, but I was under the car.

I would think that if it were a variable volume intake or extra chambers with a certain rpm crossover point, someone would have identified that pretty early and come up with a solution for it. I know that butterfly removal is usually examined pretty early as a potential hp upgrade on car that have these things.

-Justin
The IS has one but it just balances the plenum pressure between the sets of 3 cylinders under vacuum. Doesnt really seem to hurt power at all.
 

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HOWEVER if Toyota really wants this to be the next great "tuner" car (god I hate that phrase) then I think it needs a turbo stock.

dont have to sacrifice OEM creature comforts to sustain that reliability (the MPG gauge on the IS)
I don't know HOW we missed that MPG gauge!! If the functionality of such things are lost when modifying N/A cars, the whole auto industry would spiral out of control! We will immediately be suspending further FRS production until we can incorporate a stock turbo.


-Toyota
 

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That reminds me. I don't know if the car is benefitting from the cold weather or if I'm babying it on the snow tires, but the torque hole around 3500rpm seems to be gone. I had heard there was a break-in ecu program that switchs when you get to ~1000 miles. That could be it as well.

-Justin
Over 1000 miles and not one trip to Quincy. I figured it'd be about 2 days before we saw the car.....Gropecunt.
 

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I don't know HOW we missed that MPG gauge!! If the functionality of such things are lost when modifying N/A cars, the whole auto industry would spiral out of control! We will immediately be suspending further FRS production until we can incorporate a stock turbo.


-Toyota
I just hate thing being there and not working. Like having an A/C switch and having no compressor
 

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I just hate thing being there and not working. Like having an A/C switch and having no compressor
Yeah, not being able to watch the MPG gauge bounce up and down is almost as agonizing as sitting in 100 degree heat without a/c. I've often considered pushing the IS off a cliff or such because the MPG gauge doesn't work.
 

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Yeah, not being able to watch the MPG gauge bounce up and down is almost as agonizing as sitting in 100 degree heat without a/c. I've often considered pushing the IS off a cliff or such because the MPG gauge doesn't work.
It would just bother me to have the gauge sitting there "dead"

I've actually often wondered if it could be repurposed to oil pressure...
 

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Subaru will get more BRZs to sell

LOS ANGELES -- Subaru of America will get 2,000 extra BRZs over the next four months as it tries to keep up with demand for the new coupe.

The Japan-built BRZ went on sale in April with about 500 units a month allocated for the United States this year. But demand has been greater than expected.

"We are selling all the BRZs we can get," said COO Tom Doll. "We have been sold out since the car was introduced."

Subaru of America initially asked for only 6,000 BRZs annually, and has sold 3,120 through October. Doll could not say whether the extra allocation will be extended through 2013.

The rear-wheel-drive BRZ was developed jointly with Toyota, which sells two sibling coupes, the Scion FR-S in the United States and the Toyota 86 in other markets.

Doll said Subaru also is asking parent Fuji Heavy Industries for more units of the XV Crosstrek, which was launched in September. Through October, 3,076 of the small crossovers have been sold in North America. Doll wants to bring monthly sales from about 2,000 to 2,500 units.

The XV Crosstrek has mainly attracted conquest buyers.

Doll said: "It is an eye-catcher and has been bringing younger and more style conscious buyers to the brand."


Read more: http://www.autonews.com/article/20121203/RETAIL07/312039960#ixzz2E1MgNCsy
 

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Former IS owner here. Purchased a 6MT BRZ in Sept. 2100 miles so far and haven't had any of the CEL issues a lot of people are having. Only issue I have right now is the clicking rear deck, which I hope I can get rid of with one of the DIY fixes. Can't wait till I throw some mods on this bad boy. :)
 

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Bump from way back.

I still have the FR-S. I believe it has about 50k miles on it now. It's my wife's summer daily and it really hasn't seen any mods.

As an early production car, it had some issues to be addressed. There was condensation in the tailights, squeaky high pressure fuel pump, code for the cam sensors and a few other things that I had done before the bumper-to-bumper warranty ran out. Total for the warranty work (to Toyota) was about $4000. That was in June of last year.

Right around Halloween of last year, I was driving home and the dashboard lit ALL the lights. I lost power. Engine stalled and wouldn't start. I coasted over to a parking lot and called my wife. I told her to bring her AAA card. AAA took about 3 hours to get there, but that's not Toyota's fault. We eventually got it towed to the dealer.

It spent the next month at the dealer getting its engine replaced under the powertrain warranty. The car had 39k miles on it at the time. Total for the engine replacement (it wasn't prices on my sheet but I saw it on the service advisor's paperwork) was $17,9xx charged to Toyota. Considering the no-haggle price of this car was around $24k, I don't think anyone but the service techs made money on this car.

The car is still on original wheels and tires, but it does spend a portion of the year wearing snow tires. Stock tires are probably going to go soon, and I will replace them with something a little stickier but I won't waste fast-wearing tires on the wife's highway commute. No real plans for any modifications since I don't know if we're keeping it. We may sell it and get a Focus ST, or may just keep it. I should probably start shopping for junkyard engines just to have a spare available for the next catastrophic engine failure.

Overall I've enjoyed the car over time we've owned it and certainly don't regret buying this over the limited alternatives available at the time. Despite the engine chewing itself to shit before 40k miles, I still give this two thumbs up.

-Justin
 
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