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Over the past few months, rumors have circulated that the joint venture between Toyota and Subaru to develop an affordable, front-engine, rear-wheel-drive coupe has been delayed. ToMoCo president, Akio Toyoda, sought to address those concerns at last month's Tokyo Auto Salon, and according to Toyota's new overlord, development is still underway.

Toyoda told the assembled masses that the new FR sports car is an essential part of the automaker's "rejuvenation" efforts to bring younger people into the fold, and a large part of that is price. The coupe is still expected to cost around 2,000,000 yen (a little over $21,000 US) and is set to go on sale in 2012. According to Toyoda, the production postponement has nothing to do with the delay in construction of the Toyota/Subaru factory, where the two-door was due to be built next year. Instead, Toyoda claims that the hold up is due to the adaption of Toyota's new D-4S direct injection system for the flat-four engine. Currently, the FR sports car is codenamed "086A," and for those of you schooled in the world of Hachirokus, that spells good things to come.
Toyota/Subaru FR sports car code-named 086A, will include direct injection - Autoblog
 

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Thanks for the news man! :approve:

I've been trying to keep track of Toyota's plans for sportscars for the past 4 years or so lol. I was pretty excited when they first announced this car. I hope it'll do well.
 

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I just hope they don't use the Toyota cheap materials. Our Camry is nothing but a racket after 30k. O and the rubber things around the doors is coming off, the seats are losing their color, and the gearbox is retarded.

My sis's 530xi has 40k on it and is showing no signs of wear.
 

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Toyota-Suburu sporty car joint venture delayed.

Looks like it won't be performing anytime soon....

Both Toyota and Subaru have officially confirmed that their co-developed sporty compact car project has been put on hold. The two automakers had planned a rear-wheel-drive sporty two-door based on the Subaru Impreza platform that also used Subaru’s boxer engine, but the project has apparently been delayed indefinitely due to the worldwide economic slump.

Toyota gained a small stake in Subaru in 2005 and the joint project had intended to fill gaps in both automakers’ lineups. Toyota has lacked a sporty small car since the demise of the Celica and Subaru has been without a coupe for considerably longer. The small Toyota could have been badged a Scion, too.

Initially, the plan had been for the sporty coupe to be on sale in 2011 or 2012, but it looks like it has been delayed at least a year, if not longer, confirming earlier reports.

The plan for the Subaru to assemble Toyota Camrys in its Lafayette, Indiana, assembly plant remains on schedule, however.
http://www.leftlanenews.com/subaru-toyota-sporty-car-joint-venture-delayed.html
 

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damn. Toyota's always conservative and safe, thats how they became the most profitable car company out there. This, then.....doesn't come as much of a shock at all. What a shame though.
 

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My 2 cents'

The "Toyobaru coupe" is a subject that is near and dear to my heart.

As one of the relatively few that thinks nothing of cross-shopping Lexus ISs and Subarus (and has owned both), and is thus a fan of both car companies, it was naturally a "match made in heaven" when Toyota took over from GM as Subaru's "supporting savior". And, I've watched the stories on the development of the "Toyobaru coupe" like a hawk. Don't be too surprised if, at some point, I lean on our patrons at AutoGuide to create a website for this car... ;)

On a scale from 1 to 10, I'd give the credibility of that Left Lane story a 2. The 6 months-to-a year delay is old news, but, at this juncture, I choose to believe Akio Toyoda's purported claim at the 2009 Tokyo Auto Salon that "production will be postponed for several months so that D-4S direct injection can be applied to the flat-4 boxer engine. Production will now be postponed until March 2012" over fuzzy claims of "indefinite delays". And what's up with the last sentence, "The plan for the Subaru to assemble Toyota Camrys in its Lafayette, Indiana, assembly plant remains on schedule, however"? Camrys have been built at the Subaru plant for almost 2 years now (since March/April 2007)!
 

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What the hell will this perform like?
Most rumo(u)rs have the initial version as being rear-wheel-drive and powered by the two-liter version of the Subaru flat four, naturally aspirated but with direct injection providing 200 hp. (Although my gut tells me that North America will get the 2.5-liter version of the flat four with a similar 200ish hp output).

There are hopes, of course, that an AWD, 300+ hp STI version will follow.
 

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Umm the TC is already RWD capable....why not just convert that.
Well, the "Toyobaru coupe" could well become the next-gen Scion tC. Or it could, instead, revive the Toyota Celica badge. Or it might be sold with a Toyota badge only in the Japanese Domestic Market, and sold only as a Subaru outside of Japan. All of those scenarios have been rumo(u)red.
 

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It seems the Toyobaru coupe is on hold, after all. The Left Lane folks were seemingly misquoting and misparaphrasing this article from Mark Phelan, a reputable longtime writer for the Detroit Free Press:

Subaru-Toyota compact project is on hold

The sporty compact car Subaru and Toyota were developing together has been put on hold because of the worldwide economic slowdown, both companies confirm.

The program had been developing a pair of sporty small cars for sale by both automakers in 2011. The companies' other high-profile collaboration, the assembly of Toyota Camrys in Subaru's Lafayette, Ind., plant, remains intact.

Toyota took a small stake in Subaru when GM ended its relationship with the all-wheel drive specialist in 2005.

The 2+2 compact sporty car had been slated to use a version of the Subaru Impreza's platform, horizontally opposed boxer engine and transmission. It reportedly modified Subaru's all-wheel drive drivetrain to a rear-drive setup and moved the engine slightly rearward in the chassis to improve weight distribution.

The car would have filled one of the few obvious gaps in Toyota's lineup, a small and affordable sporty car.

It would also have given Subaru a performance model priced below the $24,995 all-wheel drive Impreza WRX.

The Toyota and Subaru models reportedly had different exterior designs.

Subaru-Toyota compact project is on hold | Freep.com | Detroit Free Press
 

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Hmmm..
This one looks very similar to the rendering of the future Supra that was circulating around the web 4 years ago.
I think it looks fairly nice (Although I'm not exactly digging the front lights too much).


Thanks for sharing the link, too jruhi! :)
 

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Now it's NOT on hold, after all...

IL Insider: The "Toyobaru" Is "Still on Track"
by Peter Nunn - Edmunds Inside Line

TOKYO — If you've recently read a story or two about the delay, or even the demise, of the compact sport coupe that Toyota and Subaru are jointly working on, don't believe it. That's the message from knowledgeable PR sources in Japan, who tell Inside Line that this intriguing sports car program is still very much on track.

Last April, Toyota and Subaru confirmed they were working on a new compact, rear-wheel-drive sport-coupe project for 2011, the car the industry has since fondly come to know as the "Toyobaru."

To be built by Subaru and based off a new Subaru-developed platform (converted to rear-wheel drive), the sports car will also run with Subaru's prized boxer 2.0-liter engine. There will be both Toyota and Subaru versions of the car, each looking different but with the same normally aspirated flat-4 engine under the hood.

Japan's influential Nikkei business newspaper ran a headline story in December, meantime, claiming that in the wake of the severe market meltdown, the Toyobaru was being postponed.

Toyota and Subaru had decided to delay the start of production, the paper claimed, with production now "likely to be postponed to 2012 or later."

Both representatives from Toyota and Subaru's press offices in Tokyo have recently denied the story. "The project is still on track, according to the info I have on hand," says a Toyota spokesperson.

What has changed is the production site. The original idea was for Subaru to build a completely new factory in Oizumi, in Japan's Gunma prefecture, to build the car. But the economic crisis has now prompted Subaru to can that project, so the Toyobaru, when it is built, will be made inside Subaru's long-serving Gunma main plant, which is now due to be refurbished.

IL Insider: The "Toyobaru" Is "Still on Track"
 

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The Big 3 Detroit carmakers have been capturing the world's headlines with their economic and product woes for the past several months, but the truth of the situation is that the whole industry is struggling. Toyota recently announced its first operating loss in 71 years, and then decided to push back development on its RWD sports car joint project with Subaru. But the project, feared dead, is in fact still simmering. According to an anonymous project planner on the sidelines of the Geneva Motor Show, the car would be on European streets by 2011.

Developing the information further, the source told Automotive News that the car would sit in about the same market space as the old Celica used to occupy. Subaru's parent company, Fuji Heavy Industries, has been working with Toyota on the development of a new RWD sports car for about a year now, but the continuing soft market and poor 2009 outlook led the companies to shelve work on the car. Saving production costs in a cash-strapped market is part of the reasoning, but also introducing a new car right now would almost certainly doom it to sales failure.

Another reason for the delay is the need to add D4S direct injection to the car's boxer-four for better power and efficiency, Toyota told the press at the Tokyo Auto Salon last month. The car's chassis and body development are finished, with the project bearing the code-name '086A' - a possible nod to the classic AE86 Corolla/Trueno that the joint project has been compared to so often.

But the Toyota-Subaru joint project isn't alone. All new production projects are being reviewed in an effort to help realign investment and development budgets with newly reduced profit forecasts. Last November the Japanese carmaker cut its future profit figures by 56% thanks primarily to poor sales in Europe and the U.S.

Earlier reports had pegged the 086A to begin production in March, 2012. Original plans had previously put the car's launch in late 2011, branded as a Scion in the U.S. The price target for the car is still intended to make the ¥2,000,000 mark, though whether it will sell in the U.S. for the equivalent $21,300 is up for debate.
Insider: Toyota-Subaru joint RWD could be on sale in Europe by 2011 - [Toyota Subaru 086A] - MotorAuthority - Car news, reviews, spy shots
 

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Looks like the Celica is back!!!!

The last report about the on again/off again sports car being developed jointly by Toyota and Subaru was that it's on again. Today comes word from L'Automobile in France that not only is the rear-wheel-drive Toyubaru going to happen, but it will arrive bearing the Celica name sometime in 2010. If Wikipedia is to be believed, this would be the eighth generation of the Celica, which traces its roots all the way back to 1970 when it debuted in Japan as an inexpensive rear-wheel-drive sports car. Through the years it switched to front- and all-wheel drive, with the final seventh generation Celica sold from 2000 - 2005 being a strict cart puller. L'Automobile claims that Thierry Dombreval, Toyota's VP of sales and marketing in France, spilled the beans on reviving the Celica name, so we won't consider this news solid until a second source comes forward or Toyota officially confirms it, neither of which is likely to happen. So for now all you Celica fans should just sit tight and light a few candles for your cause.
REPORT: Toyota reviving Celica name for joint Subaru RWD car
 
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