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true, but then the engineers did flatly deny the car being in direct competition with the M3, etc. trying to make a comfortable DD that does double duty on the track is not easy (GT-R blows everything out of the water on that one), and lack of an M/T yes but so is the C63. i wouldn't buy one just because of that last point.
 

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The comments for that article are really interesting to read!
 

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The Truth About Cars review of the IS-F

2008 Lexus IS-F Review | The Truth About Cars

Hammering the IS-F through the sleepy desert two-lanes of Rosamond, California, I tried to remind myself: “I’m driving a Lexus.” But the 416-horsepower sedan leaves little time for inner monologues. Caned hard, the IS-F reels in straight-aways like King Triton's spey rod. Corners arrive before your consciousness can catch up. Quick! Turn in, dip the throttle, unwind the hefty steering and feel the skittering rear wheels rotate you through the apex. Then look down at the silver “L” pointing at your chest. Cognitive dissonance much?

Yes, well, that’s exactly what Lexus has in mind. No longer content to be characterized as a purveyor of exceedingly well-built Buicks, Lexus is now vying for the youth vote. The IS-F’s ambitious charge: lure well-heeled hormonal enthusiasts away from Euro thoroughbreds like the M3, revitalize the brand’s image and pour young blood into its late middle-age demographic pool.

It’s a sensible strategy. But “sensible” is a four-letter word in this particular marketing exercise. Lexus wants buyers to think of this and future F variants as something a lot more Xtreme than its ice cool luxobarges. Thus, the IS-F’s press materials couch it as a controversial anomaly, the rogue brainchild of “a covert team of engineers” working deep within the Japanese giant. Suffice it to say, it makes for some eye-rolling reading.

Never mind. The IS-F’s vitals speak for themselves: a 5.0-liter V8 churning out the aforementioned 416 ponies (and 371 ft.-lbs. of torque), rear-wheel-drive, 14.2-inch drilled and vented front discs, 19” BBS rims wrapped in staggered-width rubber and defeatable traction and stability control. Yes, in a Lexus.

Unfortunately, to partake of this hard-ass hardware you have to look at the thing. The IS-F looks like a basking shark losing a fight with a steamroller. In fairness, the IS-F’s blobby, bulbous nose and filter-feeder fenders are largely a necessity of function; its monster motor wouldn’t have cleared anything sleeker. But otherwise, the IS-F ain’t got no alibi. Surveying its overwrought skirts, flares, and stacked quad tailpipes (which don’t actually connect to the exhausts), one wonders just how “youthful” an audience Lexus’ stylists had in mind.

Still interested? Step inside, rub your aching eyes, and be thankful that the cabin’s only juvenile touches are de rigeur plasti-alloy trim plates and aluminum pedals. Elsewhere, the scenery is standard IS, which means a high cowl, modest window slits, and snug proximics at the helm. It’s a fairly dark and buried place to work, and the acres of dark-gray dash polymers do little to lift the mood.

Clearly, the F’s not going to eat an M’s lunch on aesthetics alone. So let’s drive…

Punch the starter button to get the V8 humming, release the foot-operated parking brake, and slide the stubby shifter into “D.” Oh, did I mention that the IS-F is automatic only? The eight-speed slushbox tries hard to involve the driver– blipping its downshifts and allowing manual control through snappy aluminum finger paddles– but when your right arm and left foot are barred from the action, a forlorn sense of distance is inevitable. It’s a fatal flaw, considering F’s “hardcore” design brief.

Nosing onto a crowded road raises more questions about this Lexus’ M-beating mission. First impressions are of the cabin’s eerie hush, the soft-feel pedals and the weighty yet plush steering, which veils your fingertips from imperfections in the asphalt. Crusty low-speed ride aside, the IS-F feels every bit the cool, coddling Lexus.

Given a long, empty ribbon of road, the IS-F again reveals a sharply split personality. Flexing your right foot rips away the layers of Lexus fluff. At WOT, acceleration is torrential and torque-soaked. Lexus claims 0-60 in “under 4.9 seconds.” Any attempt to prove them right/wrong and the V8’s murmur turns to a frenzied howl, courtesy of a secondary air intake that opens at 3,600 rpm. You might as well be pulling its head out from underwater, so dramatic is the shift in its voice.

There’s a predictable downside to the F’s binary nature: Mr. Hyde only comes out to play above safe, legal velocities. The chassis boasts tasty balance at the limit, and the steering enlivens somewhat under load. But given the tires’ immense grip, you’d be nuts to sample either trait on your morning commute. So you back off, the engine fades to Muzak and Toyota’s patented anesthetic drips back into the primary controls. Yawn. Why does this cost $56k again?

And that’s the problem with the IS-F. To sprinkle the magic dust of desirability onto Lexus’ fledgling performance sub-brand, this car needed to match its Euro rivals for driver appeal, beat them on price and let enthusiasts fill in the “cachet” gap. The IS-F misses the marque; it’s a sort of designer-label STI, or an Evo’s dandy city cousin. Get kaizening on this one, Lexus. Otherwise that “F” may come to stand for… nothing much.
 

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"The IS-F misses the marque; it’s a sort of designer-label STI, or an Evo’s dandy city cousin."


Though I'm not a big fan of the ISF, that comparison alone should disqualify the review.
 

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The Truth About Cars: where we pretend to enjoy fun, fast cars, but really only felate Toyota business practices, and are on our 1,998,334,203,994,112 death watch, because sooner or later, we have to be right.
 

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I admit I've never heard of these guys, and they probably have zero credibility, but I think they hit the nail on the head with this comment on the car's appearance:

The IS-F looks like a basking shark losing a fight with a steamroller. In fairness, the IS-F’s blobby, bulbous nose and filter-feeder fenders are largely a necessity of function; its monster motor wouldn’t have cleared anything sleeker. But otherwise, the IS-F ain’t got no alibi. Surveying its overwrought skirts, flares, and stacked quad tailpipes (which don’t actually connect to the exhausts), one wonders just how “youthful” an audience Lexus’ stylists had in mind.
 

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The eight-speed slushbox tries hard to involve the driver– blipping its downshifts and allowing manual control through snappy aluminum finger paddles– but when your right arm and left foot are barred from the action, a forlorn sense of distance is inevitable. It’s a fatal flaw, considering F’s “hardcore” design brief.

that's retarded.
 

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Obviously Poop would quote a negative review on the ISF. I used to agree that the ISF was ugly. I hated it in picture and disliked it at the auto-show...but the last 2 times I've seen it at the dealership I actually really liked it.
 

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I admit I've never heard of these guys, and they probably have zero credibility
Its a website run by this guy named Robert Farago, who is a self proclaimed (and nothing more) expert on the auto industry, sales, business in general, and one of the most vocal rejoicers on the fall of Detroit. He runs the site with a rather draconian theory that anyone who disagrees with any of the editorials is silenced through deletion of the post and faux warnings of loosing the "privledge" to visit the site. Because of this, almost all the commenters are the extreme form of brown nosers to Farago et al., and it makes the site boring due to lack of contrasting opinon and debate.

Save for Johnny Lieberman, the editors on the site are fellow self proclaimed experts in something or other, who pretend to be piston heads. But in reality, most of them hate cars. Brock Yates had an amazing three week stint there that was cut short when he most likely told Farago to go fuck himself over the fact that Farago had to approve Yates articles. Being a quasi Yates fan, I took issue ith his parting with the site, knowing full well that it mostl likely inolved Farago getting butt hurt over something Yates said. In an ironic twist, almost all the posters on the site who all but began to piss them selves in pure happiness over Yate's arrival quickly turned on him when they realized he didn't agree with anything the website ever said.

According to TTAC, the IS-F is doomed to failure before it is even launched because of the entire eight billion some odd people on the planet, not a single human being will buy one. Not because it is competeing with the M and AMG name brand, but because its a Lexus, and Lexus isn't supposed to make sporty cars. When I quickly brought up the response that Toyota only makes econoboxes, but we must not forget that this is the same company that brought us the Supra, I was warned for failing to abide by website rules and my post deleted.

, but I think they hit the nail on the head with this comment on the car's appearance:
I agree with that, though. However, as they say: I had a broken watch once, and it was right twice a day.
 

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Obviously Poop would quote a negative review on the ISF. I used to agree that the ISF was ugly. I hated it in picture and disliked it at the auto-show...but the last 2 times I've seen it at the dealership I actually really liked it.
I actually found the review when I was pricing out the IS-F last night on lexus.com and trying to do some research on it. I think the car is pretty cool except for its appearance, so don't try to paint me as being completely unobjective. If anything I try my hardest not to blindly side with one manufacturer over another.
 
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I actually found the review when I was pricing out the IS-F last night on lexus.com and trying to do some research on it. I think the car is pretty cool except for its appearance, so don't try to paint me as being completely unobjective. If anything I try my hardest not to blindly side with one manufacturer over another.
Well, I have never seen a single positive post from you on the IS-F. I also try not to blindly side with one manufacturer over the other. I agree'd that the ISF looked horrible in pictures (fat and bloated)...but I am telling you, when you see it in the showroom it looks much MUCH better.
 
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Well, I have never seen a single positive post from you on the IS-F. I also try not to blindly side with one manufacturer over the other. I agree'd that the ISF looked horrible in pictures (fat and bloated)...but I am telling you, when you see it in the showroom it looks much MUCH better.
I'm telling you poop it doesn't. I've seen two and hated both, just as ugly in person.



 

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Twins seperated at birth?
 

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I gurantee you, you will like it more when you see one on the showroom floor.
I'll certainly give it the benefit of the doubt.
 

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Its a website run by this guy named Robert Farago, who is a self proclaimed (and nothing more) expert on the auto industry, sales, business in general, and one of the most vocal rejoicers on the fall of Detroit. He runs the site with a rather draconian theory that anyone who disagrees with any of the editorials is silenced through deletion of the post and faux warnings of loosing the "privledge" to visit the site. Because of this, almost all the commenters are the extreme form of brown nosers to Farago et al., and it makes the site boring due to lack of contrasting opinon and debate.

Save for Johnny Lieberman, the editors on the site are fellow self proclaimed experts in something or other, who pretend to be piston heads. But in reality, most of them hate cars. Brock Yates had an amazing three week stint there that was cut short when he most likely told Farago to go fuck himself over the fact that Farago had to approve Yates articles. Being a quasi Yates fan, I took issue ith his parting with the site, knowing full well that it mostl likely inolved Farago getting butt hurt over something Yates said. In an ironic twist, almost all the posters on the site who all but began to piss them selves in pure happiness over Yates' arrival quickly turned on him when they realized he didn't agree with anything the website ever said.
Love this post.

Back when I started my carbinated.com blog, one of the first articles I wrote was my take on the different types of automotive websites. Here's the link:
carbinated.com » Of Originators, Regurgitators and Opinionators

Robert Farago and his The Truth About Cars site rated a mention in that article, which I then e-mailed him a link to. He was kind enough to post this comment: "Thanks for the link/mention. My category sounds like a bad Schwarzenegger movie, but I reckon it’s the best of the three. If you ever want to contribute a rant, drop me a line. Well, 800 words."

I was flattered by the offer, but had (and have) no intention of taking him up on it. Between The Garage and Carbinated, I have all the forums I need to make my voice heard.

As to Jonny Lieberman, I had a chance to meet him personally at the second Laguna Seca Lexus IS F event. I was surprised at how quiet and shy he came off in person, given his writing persona.

BTW, if you hadn't noticed, I merged this DJPoop thread into an earlier one in the IS F Forum on the TTAC review.
 

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The review was about as useful as a guy off the street describing his test drive. There were no objective data including acceleration, corning, weight measurements of the car. His review was full of rhetoric and about as superfluous as my social science course at Berkeley sitting next to 1000 people in a crowded auditorium. Yawn. Note to self, do not read reviews from them again.
 
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