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Which one is the better bet in terms of power and performance. Price seems very close and installation about the same. I just spend $650 on headers and install, so I'd hate to throw that away with the turbo. Need some opinions here. Also how important is the intercooler for either the S/C or turbo? My mechanic said it is almost a neccissity for either one for them to operate effeciantly.
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Compare the dynos and the prices, and the choice will be obvious.

Don't throw away the header- you can easily sell it on .net, probably only take a 30% loss or so- Also, the SRT stage 2 comes with a big FMIC, my intake air temps have been remarkably low.

If you really are interested, give both prolex and SRT a call, and have a long talk with both places, discussing what you want in a kit, and see which one will really suit your needs the best- that is the only real way to make a decision.

Granted, I'm biased, but I have a feeling you will wind up with a turbo soon 8)

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I agree with doublins...the plp kit and its numbers were quite disappointing. :-?
 

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I think your subject line should read: TBKO S/C vs SRT Stage 2

The SRT Stage 2 is at least 30+ more hp than the S/C. Different ball park in my book.

The PLP (higher powered) Vortech has even less rwhp output than the TBKO S/C.

Just my 2 cents :)
 

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redline814 said:
I think your subject line should read: TBKO S/C vs SRT Stage 2

The SRT Stage 2 is at least 30+ more hp than the S/C. Different ball park in my book.

The PLP (higher powered) Vortech has even less rwhp output than the TBKO S/C.

Just my 2 cents :)
^^ agreed....the plp kit just didn't put up the numbers i thought it would. :-?
 

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rather than humming on a tuners jock here and saying which one is better - how about comparing generic upgradability between the two?

Youll be able to squeeze better numbers out of a turbo down the road when you feel like upgrading and feel like spending money. Throw on full 3" exhaust and you get more HP - put on a headgasket and fuel upgrades down the road and turn up the boost and you get more HP. etc. etc.

with the s/c - your upgrades kind of end with the pulley and header.
 

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A turbo'ed car does not behave in the same manor as a S/C'ed car. It's not all about the best bang for the buck folks.

It is about how much you want to spend ($), what max rwhp you eventually want, and what kind of drivability you are willing to give up.
 

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uhh, the PLP vortech is $500 cheaper than the TBKO, and it made 280rwhp on the manual. The TBKO is $6000 and made 275rwhp on an auto. The plp is going to be upgradeable with bigger pullies, etc... as well as the TBKO. I don't see too much of a difference. I would rather go with PLP because they are near me and I could get it installed through CArson Toyota. I think they are somewhat equal in comparison. I don't really see hoe most people think the PLP is not wowth it? :-?
 

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<DegoIS>

Throw in the following TBKO positives...
- No need to move the ABS.
- No need to tap into your oil pan.
- No need to cut a hole in your frame to route the piping.
- More power (I will be the 1st manual w/TBKO's S/C...so I am hoping to see near 290-300).

Is that worth an added $500? :D

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On another note...
Vortech makes a high quality product and PLP has excellent customer service. That's a good mix. If PLP is closer to you and you do not mind overlooking the above mentioned, then that might be the way your should go.
 

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Just following this thread and had a comment with respect to the initial topic regarding Intercoolers. I have known many people who have S/C'd their cars (all types) and not one has installed an intercooler, so I'm not sure what your mechanic was talking about. I am sure it's possible, but obviously not a necessity.

My opinion - being a "newbie" on .net is that depending on the type of HP you want and driveability - you can only decide what is better for your own application based on personal preference. From what I have seen, if you are looking for larger gains, it seems as though it's a no brainer - go for the turbo setup. You can easily change turbo's, increase fuel, increase boost (with a headgasket change)...as well as other things.

The beauty of the S/C is that there is virtually no turbo lag -you have power and torque pretty much all the time. They are virtually maintenance free and for more gains, you can easily change the pulley size to increase/decrease boost. But I think you are a bit more limited to the overall amount of power that you are able to attain with an S/C vs. a Turbo.

That's my $0.02

Do a search and see what others are saying about power, reliability, etc. Then make your decision based on what matters to you.
 

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redline814 said:
<DegoIS>

Throw in the following TBKO positives...
- No need to move the ABS.
- No need to tap into your oil pan.
- No need to cut a hole in your frame to route the piping.
- More power (I will be the 1st manual w/TBKO's S/C...so I am hoping to see near 290-300).

Is that worth an added $500? :D
-Actually, you dont' need to move your ABS for the turbo-
-You will need to cut a hole in your engine bay for most FMICs, does the tbko have a FMIC? I thought it did?
-Tapping your oil pan is EASY, and if you remove the kit, you simply screw a plug fitting in place of the original fitting, or just replace the inexpensive sheet metal piece that is your lower oil pan.
-OH-- I got to the "more power" part, and realized you were comparing to plp's s/c. This whole time I thought you were comparing it to the turbo kit. My bad. 8) You need to move your ABS for the plp kit? What a rip!

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The beauty of the S/C is that there is virtually no turbo lag -you have power and torque pretty much all the time.
There is virtually no lag with my turbo setup- so long as your engine is at an rpm where you can produce boost (~3500rpm+), you boost almost instantaneously-

Also, as far as having torque "all the time" with a s/c- Turbos produce MUCH more midrange torque than s/c, because they are at full boost as early as the exhaust gas flow will allow- Superchargers produce boost as a factor of engine rpm, so they aren't at full boost until redline, which is why if you compare the dyno graphs of a turbo and supercharger running the same peak boost, the turbo will produce a much "wider" horsepower curve, with much more area under the curve.

They are virtually maintenance free and for more gains, you can easily change the pulley size to increase/decrease boost. But I think you are a bit more limited to the overall amount of power that you are able to attain with an S/C vs. a Turbo.
With my electronic boost controller- I can simply dial up/down boost depending on how I'm feeling- if I want to save gas, I drive around on less boost daily. For days when I'm feeling like I want some power, I simply press a button and turn a knob from the comfort of my driver's seat, and voila! If I don't have all the money in the world now, I buy a stage 1- I get 292rwhp. When i have another $1,000 to throw at it, I could upgrade to a stage 2, with an intercooler and more boost- then, if I feel like it, I could upgrade the headgasket, then maybe throw in a return fuel sysrem and fuel pressure regulator. later on, a bigger turbo if I want. You can do things piecemeal- turbos are very easily upgradeable.

Basically, all else equal, if you take a supercharged car and a turbo car running the same boost, both properly tuned, same tranny, same driver- the turbo car will beat the supercharged car hands down each and every time.

Just my $.02. Remember, I am biased :p

-Chris
 

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In response: you just said exactly what I said about turbo lag. Of course you will have no lag at 3,000+ rpm, that's when a turbo is designed to produce boost. The lag comes from 1000-3000+ when the turbo is beginning to spool, therefore, taking time to boost the car = lag.

Trust me...it is obvious to me that turbo charging is the way to go on this car! When and if I move to a big upgrade - there is no doubt that a turbo will be under my hood. I've had three Supra TT's and I love turbo charged cars..no doubt. I've had one SC'd car and that was a 30V 2.8L V6 Audi A4 Quattro. Trqe out of the box - quicker than the 1.8T that I had prior to it too. Just an all out fun car. But from what I've seen on this .NET, 450rwhp in my car sounds like an all out blast!

I lean towards the turbo...I was just informing him of the turbo lag issues that may arise...especially if you use a larger turbo setup. Which is how it is with all turbo charged cars...
 

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Sorry, not trying to jack the thread.

Doublins - did you make it to the track this weekend?
Hey man, sorry I missed this post before-

Yes, went friday- best was a 13.4 out of 5 runs... Yikes I need to learn how to friggin drive! With 2 weeks of practice I will be doing much better- the car is a totally different animal now and driving her at the track is COMPLETELY different from when she was n/a.

Hopefully I'll be in the 12s with some practice.

-C
 
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