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you gonna get your shot?
The vaccine was created in 1796. The vaccine used today is essentially the same, Offit says. "We tend to think of vaccines as being very safe and every effective, which they are. But all the vaccines that we use today are the result of modern technology. That's not true of the smallpox vaccine. It has a side effect profile that we, we would not accept for vaccines today," he says.

The smallpox vaccine is made from a weak biological cousin of the smallpox virus. When you get vaccinated with the weaker virus, you become immune to the smallpox virus.

But once in a while, the vaccine does more harm than good. If you scratch where the smallpox is at the surface, and you put it to the eye, you can transfer the smallpox to your eye. That occurs in about 500 people for every million that get the vaccine. If you get "progressive vaccinia," your immune system is compromised. The virus just continues to grow and grow, and is often the cause of death.

No one is certain how many people will be hurt by the vaccine. A 1969 study found that, out of every one million people vaccinated, 74 will suffer serious complications, and at least one will die.

These side effects were never a secret, but they were rarely discussed, when the law required every child to get a smallpox vaccination before starting school.

Previous generations, Offit says, faced the disease regularly, and knew its power. "My parents, they saw diptheria. They saw polio. They saw the plagues that devastated children in this country. And so, the notion of getting vaccinated was, you know, nothing compared to what they were seeing during their normal day," he says.

If you did get the smallpox vaccine as a child, it may help you today. Some experts think you may still have some of your old immunity against the disease. But that's only a theory. There are no reliable studies on this, and other scientists disagree.

So why is the government recommending a dangerous vaccine that could kill people?

Because the disease it prevents is worse.

"It is the worst human disease. It probably killed more people in history than any other infectious agent, including the Black Death of the Middle Ages," says Richard Preston, who writes about deadly diseases like Ebola and anthrax. Nothing scares him like smallpox. He's just written a book called "The Demon in the Freezer," about how the smallpox virus has been turned into a weapon of mass-destruction.

"Smallpox as a weapon is the biological equivalent of the nuclear bomb. It is simply the most dangerous biological weapon in the world," he says. That's because it spreads on its own, unless you stop it.

Says Preston: "There is a heated debate going on in the scientific community right now about such things as, for each victim of smallpox, how many people are going to catch it from each victim? That's known as the multiplier of a virus. If the multiplier of smallpox is 10 - that is to say, if each person infected with smallpox on average gives it to another 10 people - then a smallpox outbreak would be explosive in our society."

The multiplier was much higher than 10 in a small town in Germany in 1970. One man was hospitalized with the disease, and kept in an isolation ward. But 19 hospital staff and patients, who never saw the man, got smallpox. Still, doctors were able to control that outbreak with what is known as "ring vaccination."

"We know how to put a ring around the infection to contain it. You identify a person who's infected, you quarantine them, you isolate their contacts, and then the contacts of those contacts. And that eliminated smallpox from the face of the earth," says Offit.

Offit thinks it's a mistake to vaccinate lots of people now, before there's any kind of outbreak. He thinks there's a safer approach: "Here's another way to do it. We can make the vaccine. Make sure we understand who's going to get it, who's going to be giving it. Then wait, wait for there to be one case of documented smallpox somewhere on the face of this earth and then we can move into vaccinating people, large numbers of people."

Many public health specialists who worry about vaccine side-effects say that only a few people should be vaccinated until there is an outbreak. But others are more fearful of a smallpox attack.

"You see very good physicians arguing very hard that smallpox is really not a problem, and that it can be easily handled. Those doctors are maintaining an excellent bedside manner with the American people, but they don't fully inspire confidence in me," says Preston.

Israel wants to be prepared for a smallpox attack. In August, they immunized nearly 15,000 health-care workers. More vaccinations are planned. So far, there have been four bad reactions, two very serious. And some health care workers are unwilling to be vaccinated.
 

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mass hysteria...

I had a smallpox vaccine when i was born but i'm sure the anitbodies are long since gone from my blood.

the rate of complications is far far lower than 1/4, i dunno where you get that stat from.
 

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mass hysteria...

I had a smallpox vaccine when i was born but i'm sure the anitbodies are long since gone from my blood.

the rate of complications is far far lower than 1/4, i dunno where you get that stat from.
I think the 1/4 is accurate (from the reports i have heard) but this are the minimal ones such as flu symtoms. The report i heard yesterday was 10 out of 1mil will have life threating complications.
 

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s0yb0mb said:
mass hysteria...

I had a smallpox vaccine when i was born but i'm sure the anitbodies are long since gone from my blood.

the rate of complications is far far lower than 1/4, i dunno where you get that stat from.
Do you have the ghetto scar on your shoulder?
 

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s0yb0mb said:
mass hysteria...

I had a smallpox vaccine when i was born but i'm sure the anitbodies are long since gone from my blood.

the rate of complications is far far lower than 1/4, i dunno where you get that stat from.
I think the 1/4 is accurate (from the reports i have heard) but this are the minimal ones such as flu symtoms. The report i heard yesterday was 10 out of 1mil will have life threating complications.
"flu-like symptoms" is hardly what i'd consider a "complication"


That worm in PMD's sackis a "complication"

MY IS300's 26 years of virginity is a "complication"
 

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If you had the chicken pox or cow pox before, arent you immune to small pox?
Thought that was part of the vaccine?
I'm so happy i got to quote this so everyone can see what an undeniable moron you are.
 

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Fuck you, im serious. I swear I heard somthing that if you had chickenpox you had less of a chance of getting small pox. I'm gonna go look it up and make you all look stupid...assholes :pissed:


I'm just kidding, i honestly thought it was true.
 

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f*ck you, im serious. I swear I heard somthing that if you had chickenpox you had less of a chance of getting small pox. I'm gonna go look it up and make you all look stupid...assholes :pissed:


I'm just kidding, i honestly thought it was true.
"less of a chance" != "immunity"

They are similar, so yeah, they share some antibodies but jsut because you had one it doesn't make you immune to the other... :roll:
 

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Told you there was somthing on it...blow me anyways. :bitching:

" Jenner Uses Cowpox Virus: In 1796, British physician Edward Jenner observed that milkmaids who contracted the generally mild cowpox never came down with the more severe smallpox. (Cowpox is a disease of the teats and udders of cows and when cowpox infects humans it causes low-grade fever, lymph node swelling, and superficial lesions that are much milder than smallpox and heal without scarring. Sometimes cowpox can cause encephalitis and, in persons with a history of eczema, there is a risk of serious infection).22

Jenner experimented on an eight year old boy. He infected him with cowpox by scraping pus from lesions of a child infected with cowpox onto the skin of the boy. Later, Jenner twice challenged the boy’s immunity to smallpox by scraping pus from the lesions of a person with smallpox onto the boy’s skin. The boy never came down with smallpox and Jenner widely promoted his discovery and advocated cowpox inoculation as a prevention for smallpox.46 "
 

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an hour, 20 minutes to cut and paste from a google search when it never adresses once that Immunity shit you initially brought up. :roll:
 

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s0yb0mb said:
Truckzilla said:
If you had the chicken pox or cow pox before, arent you immune to small pox?
Thought that was part of the vaccine?
I'm so happy i got to quote this so everyone can see what an undeniable moron you are.
In case you didnt notice in the first place, it was a question not a statement, ass. :shame:
 

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keep in mind if you were to get chicken pox at a young age or whenever in your life for that matter you are not totally immune. you can get it all over again just a much smaller case and the chances or ever so slim.
 

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an hour, 20 minutes to cut and paste from a google search when it never adresses once that Immunity shit you initially brought up. :roll:
Keep reading my other statements, and I have a job where I actually have to do other shit...sorry it took me so long to respond to your dumbass comments.
 

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Eh. I'd rather have a couple shots of 151 straight up. That shit'll kill any virus! :crazy:
 

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s0yb0mb said:
an hour, 20 minutes to cut and paste from a google search when it never adresses once that Immunity shit you initially brought up. :roll:
Not to be nitpicky, but doesn't:

"The boy never came down with smallpox and Jenner widely promoted his discovery and advocated cowpox inoculation as a prevention for smallpox.46 "

that basically mean immune? Correct me if I'm wrong, not tryng to start shit or anything...
 

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fist off how many people do you know w/ cow pox?

Chicken pox and cow pox are both similar, but NOT the same... so my initial statement stands, you are NOT immune, and you're kidding yourself if you think you are. :roll:
 
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