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I just got a B&M prototype short throw shifter installed by B&M racing today. Pricing and release date are not available yet but be on the lookout for it. They're still in the design/testing/revise stage but the one I got is so nice. The throw action is even shorter than that of the PLP II shifter. Not to mention the B&M short shifter has no rattling sound at all. Also the whirring sound is reduced when compared with the PLP II. I personally felt that the PLP II shifter made my IS kinda ghetto. Rattling in a Lexus. What's up with that? Realizing at the time when I first installed the PLP II in my car that they were no alternatives that would solve the rattling problem, I just could not give up the short, race feel of the PLP II.
I love it now. Even with no music on, windows rolled up and no a/c or vent on there is no rattling with the B&M shifter. I feel like the luxury has been put back into my IS without sacrificing performance.
As soon as I got my IS I installed the PLP II short shifter. I think the PLP II is great. But it rattles obnoxsiuosly all the time at varying rpm as any of you have one know. The PLP II whirring sound that I believe resonates from the transmission seems to be more accepted than the rattling. Well for anyone who is annoyed to death with the rattling and wouldn't mind the whirring being reduced your prayers will soon be answered. Unless of course I'm sorely mistaken and everyone elses doesn't rattle or you've all found a way to stop it. In that case I would take back the bad things I say about the PLP II.
 

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let me know when this thing comes out! i installed my PLP GII last week and regret it every time i drive. the noise outweighs any gains in "feel" for me. i tried calling PLP but no one ever answers. i've gotten bad comments and wish i never put it in or wasted so much money. sorry had to vent :pissed:
 

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let me know when this thing comes out! i installed my PLP GII last week and regret it every time i drive. the noise outweighs any gains in "feel" for me. i tried calling PLP but no one ever answers. i've gotten bad comments and wish i never put it in or wasted so much money. sorry had to vent :pissed:
Why don't you put the stock shifter back on?
 

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I personally felt that the PLP II shifter made my IS kinda ghetto. Rattling in a Lexus. What's up with that?
I certainly don't feel that my short shifter is "ghetto." Any whizzing noise i had...has gone away with time. The clicking when engaging from one gear to the next has also diminished.
 

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isnt PFS comin out w/ his shortshifter too?
 

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chado said:
let me know when this thing comes out! i installed my PLP GII last week and regret it every time i drive. the noise outweighs any gains in "feel" for me. i tried calling PLP but no one ever answers. i've gotten bad comments and wish i never put it in or wasted so much money. sorry had to vent :pissed:
get the TRD ball and the noise will go away
 

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Congrats!!!!

Keep us all updated during your testing....

Are you coming to the Hooters Pasadena Meet on Saturday??

Joe Z :chill:
 

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Broomhead said:
chado said:
let me know when this thing comes out! i installed my PLP GII last week and regret it every time i drive. the noise outweighs any gains in "feel" for me. i tried calling PLP but no one ever answers. i've gotten bad comments and wish i never put it in or wasted so much money. sorry had to vent :pissed:
Why don't you put the stock shifter back on?
it was a pain to get the PLP in i don't know how much force it will take to get it out again and i don't have time to do it

also, the TRD ball won't help because the sound is from the whole shaft and even if i hold it tightly the sound and chattering are still there
 

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chado said:
Broomhead said:
chado said:
let me know when this thing comes out! i installed my PLP GII last week and regret it every time i drive. the noise outweighs any gains in "feel" for me. i tried calling PLP but no one ever answers. i've gotten bad comments and wish i never put it in or wasted so much money. sorry had to vent :pissed:
Why don't you put the stock shifter back on?
it was a pain to get the PLP in i don't know how much force it will take to get it out again and i don't have time to do it

also, the TRD ball won't help because the sound is from the whole shaft and even if i hold it tightly the sound and chattering are still there
There are multiple people who have posted that the TRD leather wrapped shift knob kills most if not all the "chatter" from the PLP GII. You calling them liars?
 

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chado said:
Broomhead said:
chado said:
let me know when this thing comes out! i installed my PLP GII last week and regret it every time i drive. the noise outweighs any gains in "feel" for me. i tried calling PLP but no one ever answers. i've gotten bad comments and wish i never put it in or wasted so much money. sorry had to vent :pissed:
Why don't you put the stock shifter back on?
it was a pain to get the PLP in i don't know how much force it will take to get it out again and i don't have time to do it

also, the TRD ball won't help because the sound is from the whole shaft and even if i hold it tightly the sound and chattering are still there
There are multiple people who have posted that the TRD leather wrapped shift knob kills most if not all the "chatter" from the PLP GII. You calling them liars?
Yeah chado. just try the trd shiftknob like we told you b4. :D I also have the chattering and whine but my 1000 watt friends in the trunk make it very difficult to hear. Peace.
 

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I believe I did speak with you last week! Also I mentioned to you that you need to let your transmission cool down before you "jam" it in. Metals expand when they are hot and the PLP GII Shifter is a precise fit, so it is tuff to slide in a hot transmission. We have several hundred units on the streets with minimal complaints :roll: .
Mike

chado said:
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chado said:
let me know when this thing comes out! i installed my PLP GII last week and regret it every time i drive. the noise outweighs any gains in "feel" for me. i tried calling PLP but no one ever answers. i've gotten bad comments and wish i never put it in or wasted so much money. sorry had to vent :pissed:
Why don't you put the stock shifter back on?
it was a pain to get the PLP in i don't know how much force it will take to get it out again and i don't have time to do it

also, the TRD ball won't help because the sound is from the whole shaft and even if i hold it tightly the sound and chattering are still there
 

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Can you use the stock ball with this shifter?

Can you give ANY clues with regard to release date??? A month? 3 months? 6 months?

This could be what I've been waiting for! :D
 

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Norcal IS300 - why don't you shut your mouth before you start accusing people of being liars

Mike - I've never spoken with you before, but I would recommend updating your instructions if that's the case. my transmission was just warm when i did the install and the stock shifter lifted out with no effort at all but the PLP needed help to get in. will it be easy to slide out when cool?? please let me know

There have been a LOT of complaints about the PLP (too bad i saw them after the install), and a second release product should have had all the bugs fixed

BTW I don't want the TRD knob I want a product that performs with the stock knob and if that was the only solution they should include the knob with the kit
 

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Norcal IS300 said:
chado said:
Broomhead said:
chado said:
let me know when this thing comes out! i installed my PLP GII last week and regret it every time i drive. the noise outweighs any gains in "feel" for me. i tried calling PLP but no one ever answers. i've gotten bad comments and wish i never put it in or wasted so much money. sorry had to vent :pissed:
Why don't you put the stock shifter back on?
it was a pain to get the PLP in i don't know how much force it will take to get it out again and i don't have time to do it

also, the TRD ball won't help because the sound is from the whole shaft and even if i hold it tightly the sound and chattering are still there
There are multiple people who have posted that the TRD leather wrapped shift knob kills most if not all the "chatter" from the PLP GII. You calling them liars?
Don't be an ass. It didn't work for everybody.
 

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As for the release date and pricing it's like I said before, I don't know. And honestly they didn't tell me when they were going to release it but they did ask me not to post about those specific topics because they don't know either. For all of you who say that the TRD shift knob eliminates all the rattling, I'm very skeptical. I'm not saying you're all lying, I'm saying your're all very fortunate. I'd be willing to bet $20.00 that even with the TRD ball the PLP II is not as quite as the B&M shifter. I'll be at the Pasadena hooters meet for anyone who wants to take me up on that bet.
PLP II shifter quiter with the TRD ball on, yes. But all rattling gone, no way. I'm going to need first hand proof. Not to mention I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't want the TRD shift ball on my shifter. I don't like it. What I do like is the idea of being able to put any shift knob on including stock. So for all of you who don't want the TRD shift ball I'd wait fot the B&M shifter. I mean I don't know exactly what the final revision of it will be like, but if it's like the one I have then there is really not much to think about. Unless you don't like the idea of having to shell out more money for another shifter. Then well, I understand that. And for Wino_II, you say that with time all the noise with PLP II goes away, that doesn't good to me. Things don't usually just go away with time when it has to do with automobiles. They usually get worse. Not that I don't believe you, I just think you got lucky. I had my PLP II shifter in for 9000 miles and the rattling never got any better. How long are people supposed to wait? For me the rattling was bad enough to hear even with music on stock system with the volume at 11-12 o'clock. Early morning and late night driving with no music were begining to be unbearable. I was ready to put the stock shifter back in. I think that I'm going to buy a TRD ball and re-install the PLP II shifter so that I may make a direct comparison. What do you guys think?
 

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see you at the meet, graph! i gotta see this for myself
 

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I call bullshit :D , after reading your posts you are well versed almost enough to make me think you are a inside B&M salesman. To make bold remarks like you can still hear anything with your radio half way up makes me wonder your true intentions with your post. Sure competition is great for the market place but when you cross a line and over dramatize just be ready to defend yourself. Answer this, how and when do you hear rattling? The transmission noise is inherent, there are even sound clips on our site so the potential customer can hear the sound before purchasing. If you hear rattling you might want to have your B&M boys recheck your installation.
btw, it will be real interesting to see how similiar both units are.
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I had my PLP II shifter in for 9000 miles and the rattling never got any better. How long are people supposed to wait? For me the rattling was bad enough to hear even with music on stock system with the volume at 11-12 o'clock. Early morning and late night driving with no music were begining to be unbearable. I was ready to put the stock shifter back in. I think that I'm going to buy a TRD ball and re-install the PLP II shifter so that I may make a direct comparison. What do you guys think?
 

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I call bullshit :D , after reading your posts you are well versed almost enough to make me think you are a inside B&M salesman. To make bold remarks like you can still hear anything with your radio half way up makes me wonder your true intentions with your post. Sure competition is great for the market place but when you cross a line and over dramatize just be ready to defend yourself. Answer this, how and when do you hear rattling? The transmission noise is inherent, there are even sound clips on our site so the potential customer can hear the sound before purchasing. If you hear rattling you might want to have your B&M boys recheck your installation.
btw, it will be real interesting to see how similiar both units are.
Mike

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I had my PLP II shifter in for 9000 miles and the rattling never got any better. How long are people supposed to wait? For me the rattling was bad enough to hear even with music on stock system with the volume at 11-12 o'clock. Early morning and late night driving with no music were begining to be unbearable. I was ready to put the stock shifter back in. I think that I'm going to buy a TRD ball and re-install the PLP II shifter so that I may make a direct comparison. What do you guys think?
Come on Mike, let's be fair. There have been more than just a few people on here over the last several months who have complained about "chattering" and "rattling" coming from the PLP shifter. It seems like your earlier editions only exhibited some extra transmission noise, or "whine" which in all fairness you disclosed as something that we should expect. The chattering issue though is a whole other story, and not something that we should expect out of a short shifter.
 

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After further testing(more driving), I've discovered that there must be merit to the claim that the TRD ball reduces the rattling and other noise form the PLP II shifter. I must first admit that while I did test to see if the stock knob would fit in the B&M shifter I had not driven around with it installed. Once I did drive with the stock knob on the B&M it did rattle a bit. Not much though. But enough to bother me. I had been driving around with the B&M shift knob on the prototype shifter which is much larger and heavier than the stock knob on our car. While I don't really care too much for the way the B&M konb looks it still provides a virtually rattle free driving experience. So to all you TRD ball/PLP II shifter combo people out there, more power to ya! I believe you now. As I stated before I have a version of the B&M shifter, not the final revision. So everything I'm stating goes for my shifter only and I believe is tentative for the final revision of the B&M shifter. I'm getting a momo sphere shift knob shortly and will let you know how it works out on the B&M. What is also crucial that I had not mentioned previously is that the B&M shifter that I have is close to stock height. You're all probably thinking what the [email protected]#k! Relax, B&M told me that they would most likely be shorting the shifter for the final revision. So I imagine it will be everything I've said and still short in height. I'm thinking of taking it out and taking pictures of the three shifters(stock/B&M/PLPII) next to each other for comparison. What do you guys think?
 
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