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You rice boys crack me up (see www.riceboys.com for detail). This thing costs 3 thousand more than a 323i, has 45 more horsepower, 40 pounds more torque, looks like a dudded up Toyota (which it IS), and is still only 1/10th of a second faster 0-60? Where did all that HP and Torque go? I'll tell you, right down the crapper with that $3 grand!!

If you are solely interested in numbers, why don't you all just be accountants? What counts, truly, is how the car performs and not how high the HP is [and for that fact, this car doesn't].

Just go get a used 328i for $18k, put $12 thousand dollars in the bank and whip up on every IS300 you see. This is just a dressed up, moderately speedy semi-economy car that isn't economical. Don't even start on that reliability thing (cause that where all you boys run to when you can't compete elsewhere). I've owned 5 Bimmers and they are rock solid.

Just don't come to me crying when you get beat up by a CRX with a coffe can tail pipe or an old modded up 325i because I'm just going to say "I told you so.".

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Mike, the idiotic honkyass redneck who gives white people a bad name, I'm glad that you enjoy your BMW. Congratulations. Look at the scoreboard on reliability and look at the scoreboard for resale. Your BMW is a sweet ride, albeit predictable and metooish, when it isn't in the shop. Don't think this $34K Lexus will fall in the same bracket as a used $15K Integra with stickers and coffecan catbacks. The Lexus will attract all walks of life, unlike the stereotypical BMW buyer, like yourself. I feel sorry for true BMW enthusiasts who can't fully enjoy their car knowing that the overall image is tarnished by punkass twentysomethings who think BMW is the panacea of knowledge and life.
 

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"I've owned 5 Bimmers and they are rock solid."........... Well Mike, my family's owned more than 10 brand new bimmers over the years and their "rock solid" cars always seemed to break down and fall apart.
Also Mike the 0-60 times of the automatic 323i is definitely slower than the IS300 and ties that of the 328i BMW exactly. Make the same comparison next year when the manual transmission is available for the IS300.
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Yeah EricK!!! Automatic 323 vs IS300??? I wouldn't even compare the two Mike. The 323 doesn't match up. :p
 

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Brad,

It is truly amusing to see you berate me for grouping people when: you assume I am white, you assert (colorfully at times) that most all other BMW owners are as well and that the "Lexus will attract all walks of life" and numerous other stereotypical things in your response. This is really what I expected from this group and you have done nothing to disappoint me.

By the way, I have been in several car clubs and owned 22 cars ranging from old 911's to Maserati's, Dodge's and Mazda's in my 34 years (20 of the cars were used and none of them cost more than $18k, so don't start calling me wealthy). I don't speak from lack of knowledge and I most certainly have never been accused of being a redneck except by the likes of you Brad. I have been on a race track and have raced motorcycles as well so, I am well acquainted with performance and how it all fits together.

Enjoy your toy if you choose to buy one. You sure are entertaining to me in many more ways than you can even imagine.

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Yurinaut:

Next time, I would advise you to try as hard as you can to stick to the concept called "comparing apples to apples."

Trying to compare a manual 323 ci to an automatic IS300?? Wow! Nice try!

Let me attempt to compare the 323 ci to myself with your theory in mind..... Gee!!! I think walking is so much better because gas mileage is far better than the 323 ci...... But...but...I'm just comparing apples to apples!!! (Both actions propel you from point A to point B, right??)

DUH!!!
 

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1. You ARE white.
2. I was referring to attitude not race concerning stereotypical BMW buyers
3. Anyone opening a post with "you rice boys crack me up..." is a redneck in my book. You disgrace progress.
4. As pointed out by subsequent posts after your performance post, let's compare apples to apples, in other words automatics to automatics.

Thanks for telling me how stupid I am for considering a car that is more reliable, faster, has more standard features, better resale, and that godawful Lexus service (wink) over a 328. What would I do without you, Mike?
 

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Mike,
I don't understand why are you looking at the IS300 anyway if you ONLY concern performance and SPEED ALONE.

IS300 is not a drag race car, I'm sure no IS300 can ever outrun a Mustang, but so what? Does mustang or the CRX you brought up in your post have the luxury like the IS300 has? Do all of your USED Maserati and Dodge can be handled like the IS300? How about style, does Mazda have such a stylish exterior and interior? All of these things are presented on the IS300 but not on the other cars.

I would say 323i is a good car to compare with IS300 in someway and they are pretty close. Choosing either one will be determined by personal taste. But your point about 323 cost $3k less is wrong, 323 costs about $1.5k more if you put the comparable option together including Automatic and Xenon light.
 

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Alright alright..geez...I'll stop driving everyone crazy. Didn't mean to imply that you were stupid Brad, and I will certainly admit when I am wrong. I didn't notice the IS300 in the list was an automatic. I figured since they were being compared they were comparable but, obviously they were not. Please forgive me.

As far as all those other cars comparing to the IS300, well no, they don't all measure up in every category, namely because they were "older cars" and tremendously less expensive. I did have an 88' M5 that measured up nicely. It had 300 HP after a chip and exhaust cam gear and every possible option for the year which included ABS, heated Recaro seats...etc. The key is I only paid 15k for that when it was 11 years old which for some would speak a little about retention of value but it,of course is not a run of the mill automoble.

I guess it all boils down to this (for me): Regardless of the insane reliability (commendable) of the Lexus product line, thus far they have yet to figure ot the formula that the European cars have when it comes to a complete style and lose the antisceptic feel. I'm sure many of you will disagree but the GS products of recent were touted like crazy until they got to live with them and found that although they are exceptional cars, they are just missing something (not really a big fan of the styling either, I liked the old one better).
This is why I prefer the German sedans. Maybe they have a few more trips to the service center but I get much more enjoyment from the car than I ever did with other makes.

As far as the Riceboy comment: There used to be a website out there and it was purely comedic had you been able to see it (I just checked and it is no longer there). I was expecting you to be able to see it and get a laugh since it contained a lot of lowered Civics with 15 or 20 series tires on 10" wheels. It was really funny and that is the only place I have seen or heard the term Riceboy". It was only referring to that special group that goes to the ridiculous ends to modify Honda Civics and Toyota Tercels,...etc so, don't sit around getting steamed thinking I am tossing out continued stereotypes.

Buy for yourself. Not for what you think others will like. I always do.

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Kim, the term rice boy is slamming the Asian community, in particular, those who favor accessorizing their japanese cars. Hey, just because a portion has bad taste doesn't merit that term.
 

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Brad,

In the context that I have heard the term, It certainlyhas nothing to do with the "Asian community" whatsoever. It does however, refer to all the kids (all nationalities) that go overboard on Civics and Tercels...etc. One of my best and most trusted friends (If not the best) is Asian so please don't start in on that.

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Try not to be that predictable. I don't see my friend by race, I see him as a friend. I only (and I do mean ONLY) bring it up because you seem to be so concerned about it. -M
 

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Au Contraire Mon Frere, being an overly militant "Oriental" dude. I've heard the term rice one time too many.

Japanese Bikes (ie. non-Harleys) are Rice Burners.

Look at Club Lexus IS300 forum. There's an assortment of "rice" comments. How's "Typical Rice attitude" "Kill somebody in Toyko" "Penile Implant", "Dose of Viagra", etc. Do you still think it's race independant?

I'll bet you ain't anything close to redneck racist, but you're just not attuned to the implicit meanings/messages.

Originally posted by Yurinaut:
Brad,

In the context that I have heard the term, It certainlyhas nothing to do with the "Asian community" whatsoever. It does however, refer to all the kids (all nationalities) that go overboard on Civics and Tercels...etc. One of my best and most trusted friends (If not the best) is Asian so please don't start in on that.

-Mike
 

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tw14: Thanks for humaninzing me as others would rather have you not do so. The only place I had seen or heard the term "rice boy" was on that web page. It happened to be produced/owned by someone who is Asian ( see http://www.riceboypage.com/ ) and thus, I assumed it was not race related and more geared toward making fun of the "TYPE R" mentality. However, I can see and will admit that it could be seen as offensive if you have heard or been berated by "rice" terminology as you so stated.

I used to own/ride/race a Ducati 900ss/sp and many people referred to it as a "Rice Rocket" (understood from your reference) and I corrected them by saying it was more of a "Pasta Rocket" since my wife gave me that term and she's Italian I figured it was okay but in retrospect, I guess not.

As far as the other terms you mentioned, some of them did seem blatently anti-Asian and others, albeit by themselves didn't imply any particular race, I'm sure while in their respective contexts, they were very likely to be poorly used.

Have a good one. See you all at the track, as long as it is twisty.

-Mike
 

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I'm not holier than thou, but come on guys, rice boy is kinda racist. And believe me, I am not overly sympathetic to the Asian community. I have big problems with Japanese tariffs, business practice, their (the country's past and to a large degree present) race relations. Talk about being racist! But that should not let us use that term openly and freely. It just doesn't seem right.
 
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