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I was reading the uncomplete turbo list and read an interesting fact. I was reading that at SRT Stage 2 ran a [email protected] in the 1/4. With the mods in my profile i have run a [email protected] in the 1/4 mile (shitty reaction time on my part). I was thinking about getting that exact kit. So the question is should i try to tune and break into the 12's and save money or get turbo like i want to? I was planning on using nitrous with the turbo kit which would make my times better. But, after reading that it kind of makes me want to pursue the 12's on a non-turbo setup. Any opinions are welcome and i thank you for your input.
 

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Re: I have a question

no one can tell you how to spend your money, no one knows whats best for you, but you

one correction, you reaction time will not effect your quarter mile time or mph, the only time that reaction times count, are in bracket racing. maybe you mean your 60 foot? if so, what was it?

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IS300luver said:
I was reading the uncomplete turbo list and read an interesting fact. I was reading that at SRT Stage 2 ran a [email protected] in the 1/4. With the mods in my profile i have run a [email protected] in the 1/4 mile (shitty reaction time on my part). I was thinking about getting that exact kit. So the question is should i try to tune and break into the 12's and save money or get turbo like i want to? I was planning on using nitrous with the turbo kit which would make my times better. But, after reading that it kind of makes me want to pursue the 12's on a non-turbo setup. Any opinions are welcome and i thank you for your input.
 

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IS300luver said:
I was reading the uncomplete turbo list and read an interesting fact. I was reading that at SRT Stage 2 ran a [email protected] in the 1/4. With the mods in my profile i have run a [email protected] in the 1/4 mile (shitty reaction time on my part). I was thinking about getting that exact kit. So the question is should i try to tune and break into the 12's and save money or get turbo like i want to? I was planning on using nitrous with the turbo kit which would make my times better. But, after reading that it kind of makes me want to pursue the 12's on a non-turbo setup. Any opinions are welcome and i thank you for your input.
I really hope your engine is built up like a mo-fo...I can't imagine your engine holding up with 100 shot let alone anything higher than that on stock internals.
 

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GTE: 60' was 2.217 and my 1/8 was 8.847

Win0_II please elaborate more on the damage u think i'm doing. I don't really spare that often so i don't think i'm doing much more damage than having a turbo.
 

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Win0_II please elaborate more on the damage u think i'm doing. I don't really spare that often so i don't think i'm doing much more damage than having a turbo.
I'm not an expert in Nitrous, just that everytime I hear about it being used, it's said to be "not a good way to go." Who knows...someone else who is experienced with Nitrous should chime in. From what I do know, the heat created with a 100 shot is MUCH greater than that created using a turbo/sc setup. Heat being the leading cause of engine damage...I can't see how this setup is good for your engine.
 

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actually, i think n2o is a nice idea to get more power.(if used correctly)

as most of u know, N2O has cooling effect when burned, meaning less chance of detonation, and that using N2O along w/ F/I application yields great amount of power. so, under the circumstance that it is tuned well, it is a great idea.

the thing you have to worry about it is.. the tranny. the instant torque created by N2O will destroy the tranny faster than the turbo will.

i suggest stepping the N2O down to 75hp shot.
 

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Wino_II first, i would like to say thanks for the honest and fair response. I happen to know a good bit about nitrous since i have been spraying for about a year now. The thing that makes my spraying safe is that i have gone to great links to have the car tuned and done things to keep the risk minimal. The thing with nitrous is that the heat is only for a short period of time and with a turbo that heat from burning all the extra air is constantly there. Pleas tell me if i'm wrong on that part, but that is how i have come to understand what happens. Also, i don't go through a bottle a weak which helps keep the ware and tear to a minimum.
 

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When nitrous is under pressure it has a cooling effect. I think it had to do with the chemical makeup of the compound. When i let nitrous out of my bottle it always freezes the area where it is coming out of.
 

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BlueIS thanks for the input. I can tell that my tranny is taking ware. Would maybe a valve body upgrade help with that? I do have a tranny cooler and tbko shift kit on it to try to help with that.
 

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All I know if that at my Lexus Dealership I have heard A LOT of stories about blown IS engines because of nitrous. My opinion about nitrous is that it's a cheap and dangerous way to go fast...until your bottle runs out.
 

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IS300luver said:
Wino_II first, i would like to say thanks for the honest and fair response. I happen to know a good bit about nitrous since i have been spraying for about a year now. The thing that makes my spraying safe is that i have gone to great links to have the car tuned and done things to keep the risk minimal. The thing with nitrous is that the heat is only for a short period of time and with a turbo that heat from burning all the extra air is constantly there. Pleas tell me if i'm wrong on that part, but that is how i have come to understand what happens. Also, i don't go through a bottle a weak which helps keep the ware and tear to a minimum.
No problem bro. Good luck with it and I am still curious to hear the other side of the story too. Because I hear all the time NOT to do a nitrous setup.
 

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as most of u know, N2O has cooling effect when burned, meaning less chance of detonation
You said it cools when burned... it's not burning when it's coming out of the bottle.. its decompressing.

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When nitrous is under pressure it has a cooling effect. I think it had to do with the chemical makeup of the compound. When i let nitrous out of my bottle it always freezes the area where it is coming out of.
Physically, it doesn't have anything to do with the chemical composition, it has everything to do with the fact that its compressed. When you compress a susbstance, you make the molecules closer together. Molecules that are closer together have less room to bounce around, and thus can hold less kinetic energy(heat)

When it reaches the cylinders, it's already expanded, so the cooling effect is probably minimal... Besides, when you ignite it you've got more fuel+air so you get a larger explosion (more HP) and thus more heat.

Completely no offense, but "nitrous is cold when it comes out of the bottle, therefore engine temperature is lower so there is less chance of detonation" sounds like an defense of n20 from someone who doesn't really understand whats going on inside the engine. That type of person is the type most likely to wind up with a toasted motor.
 

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using N2O has cooling effect, b/c it takes in some great energy before breaking to N2 and O2.

plus, N2O will decrease the intake temp.
 

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Maybe the title of this thread should be changed to "Nitrous Discussion. Questions need answering." :D
 

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the thing you have to worry about it is.. the tranny. the instant torque created by N2O will destroy the tranny faster than the turbo will.
Using a Progressive Controller will help with this issue. It can delay the full output of the Nitrous by milliseconds, therefore decreasing the instant torque that can break things.
 

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blueIS said:
the thing you have to worry about it is.. the tranny. the instant torque created by N2O will destroy the tranny faster than the turbo will.
Using a Progressive Controller will help with this issue. It can delay the full output of the Nitrous by milliseconds, therefore decreasing the instant torque that can break things.
i knew YOU were gonna come out like that. :D
but, i dont think the topic starter would go for a progressive controller, b/c i dont think he'd like to complicate things by adding progressiver controler on top of the turbo sys.

anyways, how's your car coming along?
 
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