[smra]

Check it out.
http://www.bimmer.org/3series/messages/messages/21849.html

 

[smra]

I felt like the two cars were pretty close to even in performance. (Thats Auto vs Auto.)

 

[ISFAN]

I as well test drove both. I even drove the 330 after I purchased my IS, and to me they felt the same on speed. Like I posted before. The BMW felt heavy to me. Bigger. The IS feels light and quick.

 

[AltezzaRoku]

those bimmer guys bash on the IS an awful lot... heh heh..

 

[mrclam]

a lot of those bimmer guys are snobs anyhow i have doubts about the driving ability of that particular guy, but who knows =)

 

[ckolsen]

A few of those posts were mine (Chris) - I was being bad again, tormenting bimmer.org people.

Originally posted by mrclam:
a lot of those bimmer guys are snobs anyhow i have doubts about the driving ability of that particular guy, but who knows =)

 

[chiem]

I think we have our own snob here who thinks that the only time a 330 can't beat an IS300 is when the bmw driver isn't good.

--k

 

[Alan]

What I really want to hear about is IS300s vs. the E46 3-series on autocross courses. Has anyone taken their IS300 to any SCCA events yet? What class is it in, and how have you fared?


--Alan
(IS300 Owners' Registry)

 

[mrclam]

stock for stock, race like that tha'ts real quick not past the speed limiter the 330 WILL be the is300 every time if it has a good driver and the car is in good condition.....

 

[smra]

And how do you KNOW that mrclam??

 

[tony]

I raced a couple weekends ago in West Palm Beach. I didn't do too bad, but it was my first go in this car (I usually autox my miata) and I was working out tire pressures...

Nevertheless, the results are here. I'm down in GS, which Banannie says was wrong... The Integra in my class (is that really where Integras go?) was on race tires and the Imprezza driver, of course, had AWD.

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Tony
'01 Spectra Blue

 

[fishtail]

Originally posted by Alan:
What I really want to hear about is IS300s vs. the E46 3-series on autocross courses. Has anyone taken their IS300 to any SCCA events yet? What class is it in, and how have you fared?

hmm.. the SCCA has not classified the IS300 on their website yet, but the GS300 is in Stock Class G, the BMW 325/8 (Auto), Audi 1.8T/2.8, as well as the Integra GSR/Type R are also in the same class... so the IS300 is like to start there as well...

it'll fair decently, though i image in Audi 1.8T and Type R are most competitive... perhaps the 3 series as well...

hope that helps




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[fishtail]

Originally posted by smra:
And how do you KNOW that mrclam??

MrClam has the oracle of delphi stuffed up ... oops...

I mean - the only way to tell is to take both cars to a track... puts the same tires on the cars and have A professional driver take a few laps in each and compare average laps times...

my GUESS is that the cars are close enough in performance (as are most cars in this class) - that the driver makes ALL the difference...

 

[fishtail]

Originally posted by fishtail:

Originally posted by Alan:
What I really want to hear about is IS300s vs. the E46 3-series on autocross courses. Has anyone taken their IS300 to any SCCA events yet? What class is it in, and how have you fared?


hmm.. the SCCA has not classified the IS300 on their website yet, but the GS300 is in Stock Class G, the BMW 325/8 (Auto), Audi 1.8T/2.8, as well as the Integra GSR/Type R are also in the same class... so the IS300 is like to start there as well...

it'll fair decently, though i image in Audi 1.8T and Type R are most competitive... perhaps the 3 series as well...

hope that helps

the old Audi Quattro Coupe (Turbo) is also in this class... wonder if anyone races one in this class because it should fair very well also... (this car was priced to compete with the 911Turbo when it was released almost 20 years ago, and one in decent condition will pull sub-6 STOCK! - it only weights 2600-2700 pds!)

 

[dude]

That's right, man!!! Even on a straight road hauling, a 'good' driver knows exactly how to 'put the pedal to the metal'.....

It's not how fast you can do it, but how it coordinates with your own breathing.......

mrclam: So you're saying that the 330i in that race wasn't in good condition???? How do you justify that??? Oh!!! I see.....You're implying that BMW uses substandard parts in their car, right???

Originally posted by chiem:

I think we have our own snob here who thinks that the only time a 330 can't beat an IS300 is when the bmw driver isn't good.

--k

 

[tony]

Here's the results sorted by best run. I'm closer to the bottom than I thought.

best run name car class
68.144 Norman Fucini SE-3 AM
73.473 Darrin Disimo 99 Mazda Miata BS
73.800 David Schnoerr Porsche 944t AS
73.950 John Cullen 93 Porsche Carrera rs ASP
75.197 Larry Mahanor Datsun 280z FP
75.698 Buzz Fyhrie 98 Chevy Corvette ASP
75.828 Steve Burger 98 Chevy Camaro FS
75.830 David Fiallo 96 Eagle Talon Tsi SM
76.414 Renato N. 99 Mazda Miata BS
76.577 Joan Clark 98 Chevy Camaro LG5
76.758 Jim Grob 91 Acura NSX EM
76.903 Jeff Lindstrom 98 Ford Mustang ESP
76.906 Carl Couric 96 Eagle Talon ESP
76.963 Ole Pederson 2k Honda S2000 AS
77.479 Kiko Seibt 98 Neon STS
77.694 Al Wicht 98 Chevy Corvette BP
78.564 Matt Gent 97 Acura Integra GS
78.630 Stan Pearlman 78 Porsche 911sc EM
78.762 Dan Fiallo 90 Honda CRXSi CSP
78.868 Albert Lazo 93 Nissan 240sx CSP
78.994 Bill Stieren 86 Nissan 300zx BP
79.331 Chris Carey 93 Mazda Miata CSP
79.370 Link Eveleth 88 Porsche 911 SM
79.835 Mark Gent 92 Honda Civic FSP
79.950 Jim Leary 88 Pontiac Fiero FSP
80.149 Frank Jacobs 2k Honda S2000 AS
80.294 Andy Valisalo 85 Mazda Rx-7 CSP
80.625 Oliver Licul 96 VW Passat DSP
80.628 John Phillips Cobra EM
80.736 Jason Nathan 86 VW Gti FSP
80.926 Dean Oakes 91 F500 Sidewinder FM
81.508 Diane Thoman 99 Ford Mustang FS
81.959 Jeff Bastin 79 Porsche 928 AS
84.000 Leo Lopez 93 Ford Mustang FS
84.440 Tony Dinardo 94 Mazda Rx-7 SS
84.676 Tom Burger 98 Chevy Camaro FS
84.917 R.N. Erikson 76 Mazda Rx-3 EP
84.998 Maurice Wong 86 Toyota Corolla FSP
85.498 Mike Maniscalco 80 Chevy Camaro CP
85.555 Steven H. 2k Audi A4 AS
85.811 Richard Bailey 65 Cobra EM
86.160 Mike Eaton 77 VW Rabbit EP
86.194 Eric Normandin 01 Chevy Corvette SS
86.624 Eric Santa-Cruz 2k Subaru Impreza GS
86.904 Doug Koenemund 96 Chevy Corvette SS
86.990 Adam Weirich 2k Toyota MR2 CS
87.023 Anthony S. 01 Lexus IS300 GS
87.039 Richard Meister 64 Ford Cobra EM
87.083 Chris L. 72 Chevy Camaro FS
87.511 Joe Capeletti 93 Porsche 911rs ASP
87.926 Scott McClure 88 Honda CRXSi CSP
88.506 Brian Jacobs 99 BMW Z3 coupe AS
90.098 John Strauss 89 Ford Mustang FS
90.113 Mike Barkley 83 Mazda Rx-7 CS
90.793 Angel Ramirez 95 Mazda Miata CSP
90.853 Kelvin Jones 99 Nissan Maxima GS
91.055 H. Noble Mazda Miata BS
91.517 Tony Fucini 2k Ford Focus HS
92.233 Donna Dinardo 94 Mazda Rx-7 LG3
92.654 Grace Lopez 2k Honda Accord HS
95.821 Susan McGrath 2k Audi A4 LG3
95.979 Deb Rastin 79 Porsche 928 LG3
96.248 Juan Lanza 95 Plymouth Neon ES
98.308 Tom Lehman 2k Audi A4 AS
99.209 Matthew McGrath 2k Audi A4 AS
101.349 Brygida Trzaska 85 Pontiac Fiero LG4


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Tony
'01 Spectra Blue

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[dude]

Hey guys!! Try click on the post again.....You couldn't get there anymore!!!

Wonder why.......

Maybe too embarrassed????

 

[mrclam]

um...in this case, it is the driver....when i say in good condition, if the car hasn't seeen an oil change in 20k miles, you know what i mean. the 330 is close enough to the IS a driver will make all the difference, but the 330 has been rated faster in i don't know how many tests....and tahts' with professional drivers. the fact taht the 330 is faster in undisputed, unless you want to bring in the fact that the 330 has a speed limiter chip at 128.

 

[dude]

Maybe you're right.....it's the driver.....He wasn't breathing correctly.....

Undisputed?? Maybe they oughta change that from now on......That was solid proof....AND FROM bimmer.org, and not from here.....

Also, try explaining the unavailability of the post.....Now why would they do such a thing like that???

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[mrclam]

i dont' know but what i do know is that the e46 drivers aren't exactly the best....they're not very educated, some of them think that the 330 will give better performance than an m3....i mean thsi guy was probalby just like a poser type.....