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Saw this post on Supraforums and wanted to pass this along. It may be a repost but if not then heres the info..
idk if the guy really works for garrett or not but still some interesting things. could be just somebody who is pissed off at garrett as well. just take this with a grain of salt.

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I work at Garrett Turbos, now called Honeywell Turbo Technologies which there so proud of. When Cliff Garrett Owned Garrett He used to brown bag his lunch everyday and cared for a quality Product. If he knew what Honeywell has done now he would turn over in his grave. Honeywell bought Garrett In 1998 or 1999. After this they opened up a turbo testing lab in shanghai China and quickly moved there turbo overhaul to Mexicali Mexico, quickly after Garrett overhaul went belly-up. So they moved there whole production to Mexicali Mexico, as if that first failure was not a sign.

Garrett Turbos made a quality product for a fair price. A turbo is a precision instrument. Garrett turbos was part of Garrett Air Research (on 190th st. In Torrance ca.) Where they have a huge facility designing turbine engines, and so on. Most of the senior technicians in our main turbo facility (Lomita Blvd Torrance ca) came from our air research. If you’re building jet engines a turbo is not all that difficult. Well Cliff Garrett dies. At that time ALL production of Garrett Turbos was at Lomita Torrance ca. Also all engineering and research was there as well. After we were bought and production was sent to Mexico to save costs. Our production numbers doubled. And cost was cut in half our failure rate tripled. Well who cares Honeywell is making money and lots of it. Turbos are considered Honeywell’s golden egg. They feel that turbos are going to take over big. Which it already has in the diesel market. We make ford diesel turbos, daf, Chevrolet, some Audi, vw, fiat, Perkins. Millions of turbos. And there now all coming from china and Mexico. Well up until lately the company figured if the product was designed in the US and assembled in Mexico we would be ok. Well to further there profit and **** the customer once again....the LAST of what makes turbo American leaves in January 2011. We will close the doors to the Torrance Lab. In Torrance we did all our racing turbos (wrc stuff, Audi racing etc..) then in the garret garage we did the turbos you people buy for your Subaru’s. Actually I take that back. They take turbos that were made on a production line somewhere else in the world, and change a couple of parts on a bench in Torrance (wheels, housing..etc) and send it to you the customer saying it was made in the us.....no it was not it was just repackaged and altered a little. Well as of Jan 2011 all your turbos will be made in Mexico or china or Czech Republic. This is the last Garrett facility in the United States.

We have huge law suits pending due to turbo failures. GM is probably going to leave us.... ford has already sued us. Caterpillar has one of the largest recalls in garret history in the process. Our name is becoming ****. The last few VERY smart guys left in the company are being fired to save costs, but see our profit is already good.....they just want more. Please don’t spend 1500$ on a gt35r. Now that it’s costing Honeywell less to build turbos do you think you will see a smaller bill when you order there product? NO!. They are going to charge you even more for even less. There are countless procedures that are being terminated everyday that made our turbos THE BEST. They keep cutting corner after corner. Did you know that we shave metal off our turbine and compressor housings until they are at the EXTREME minimum needed to contain in the event of failure they are shaving every nickel off the cost of a turbo. Did you know that 2000$ gt40 you buy is all mark up. I won’t dare say the actual cost to the company in fear of a lawsuit but lets just say your sales tax is more then the production cost.

Do not buy these turbos. BorgWarner and mitsu are trying there best to compete with us making a quality product. Honeywell is using its big name to back junky turbos Like Toyota is starting to do. I guarantee in the next 8 months you will see a huge decline in quality. All designing and production is in CHINA AND MEXICO. Honeywell is taking back all there benefits they used to supply us with as employees. That way when they lay us off its as cheap as possible. Instead of saying "Well after we take a hit laying those people off we will make tons" they are just taking back all there benefits so they walk away clean and clear. We used to get a severance package. Which they just took away. One of the head engineers involved in the t3 project. (Designing the first t3) he is still with our company. he was supposed to get 44 weeks of pay if he ever got layed off (30 days and 1 week for every year with the company. 40 years with the company)Due to the new Honeywell rules he gets only 16 weeks pay they stole all that pack after promising it to him for 40 years. My fingers and about to fall off typing all this and I am heated so I don’t care about grammar I’m concerned about you people not supporting a Nazi company. Take your business elsewhere. Somewhere where you will get what your money pays for. Have a nice day and don’t forget if you hear the name HTT Honeywell Turbo Technologies Stay away

(They still use the garret stamp on the turbos)

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I'm reading more into this and I find that some of his facts aren't adding up. I can't find articles regarding Ford suing Garrett or Caterpillar recalls involving Garrett. Maybe this is just an ex-employee gone mad.
 

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Couldn't get through it all given the plentiful grammar and spelling mistakes. It certainly doesn't read with much credibility.
You're right about that. Almost like it was broken english from a non-US employee.

I can say that I'm not a particular fan of Honeywell's commercial HVAC equipment. I work for a competing company (AutomatedLogic), but before our smaller company was bought out, we used both the ALC product, and Honeywell's product (although we used Tridium software to control Honeywell devices).

Now I'm not saying that every aspect of Honeywell's business is lacking quality, but I do know that Honeywell's excel 15 plant controller is one of the most unreliable PLC devices I've ever worked with. My first year working with their devices was spent banging my head up against a wall trying to troubleshoot problems that ultimately were found in the plant controllers. Not all their devices were garbage, but I do not have confidence at all in any of our Honeywell systems we've done in the past. About the only thing that it helped us with is securing service contracts to take care of the problems that surely will arise.

Short story long, while the grammar is atrocious, and some facts don't add up, based on my experience with Honeywell professionally, this would not surprise me. That said, I'd like to do research on this.

It should be pointed out that I have a Garrett GT35r on my car as well speak, and this certainly does not instill confidence (yet again) in a honeywell product.
 

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I'm reading more into this and I find that some of his facts aren't adding up. I can't find articles regarding Ford suing Garrett or Caterpillar recalls involving Garrett. Maybe this is just an ex-employee gone mad.
well i know this much, i worked for Time Warner Cable for 8 years until about 2 months ago... they had so many lawsuits it was insane that never hit the news or the internet. what these company's gets away with these days and still being in business amazes me. i know i will not do business with Garret cause this sounds to true, this sounds like corporate America to me! i also found this article interesting, so why would Ford and all these other company's choose to do business with Borg Warner... ( my next choice of turbo) http://www.requestkit.com/a838405-borgwarner-awarded-turbocharger-business-for-cylinder.cfm
 

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well i know this much, i worked for Time Warner Cable for 8 years until about 2 months ago... they had so many lawsuits it was insane that never hit the news or the internet. what these company's gets away with these days and still being in business amazes me. i know i will not do business with Garret cause this sounds to true, this sounds like corporate America to me! i also found this article interesting, so why would Ford and all these other company's choose to do business with Borg Warner... ( my next choice of turbo) http://www.requestkit.com/a838405-borgwarner-awarded-turbocharger-business-for-cylinder.cfm
interesting link. seems like alot of companys are going to use Borgwarner turbos:

Auburn Hills, Michigan-based BorgWarner Inc. (NYSE: BWA) is a product leader in highly engineered components and systems for vehicle powertrain applications worldwide. The FORTUNE 500 company operates manufacturing and technical facilities in 60 locations in 18 countries. Customers include VW/Audi, Ford, Toyota, Renault/Nissan, General Motors, Hyundai/Kia, Daimler, Chrysler, Fiat, BMW, Honda, John Deere, PSA, and MAN.
 

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interesting link. seems like alot of companys are going to use Borgwarner turbos:

Auburn Hills, Michigan-based BorgWarner Inc. (NYSE: BWA) is a product leader in highly engineered components and systems for vehicle powertrain applications worldwide. The FORTUNE 500 company operates manufacturing and technical facilities in 60 locations in 18 countries. Customers include VW/Audi, Ford, Toyota, Renault/Nissan, General Motors, Hyundai/Kia, Daimler, Chrysler, Fiat, BMW, Honda, John Deere, PSA, and MAN.
The orginal link on the Subaru Forums by mbtech is interesting too.. to all that read alot of forums, there is alot of legit data posted by legit people that have been well known on other forums.

Garrett Turbos...The end of a quality product - NASIOC
 

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Glad I just bought a borg-warner. I can't say that I went with b-w because of a lack of quality in the "garrett" turbos; I haven't heard about the failures or the lawsuits. The reason I chose a b-w was the comparable garrett was a much older design for a much higher price, I didn't see any advantage to the gt.
 

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My wifes family owns a CAT/Perkins Distributorship and i haven't heard about the turbo recall ill ask her tonight. I know cost on these turbos is dirt ass cheap though i got my GT35r for about half the cost of the cheapest place i could find it on the net.
 

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cliff notes?
Garrett was bought by honeywell.
Honeywell is outsourcing the turbos to Mexico and China, to mitigate cost. Quality has dropped.
Prices are staying the same.
Employees are being mistreated.
Buy BorgWarner turbos.
 

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I've had employees steal stuff, get fired then have them go and tell eerybody they were abused or whatever lies sounded good that day and then try to steal accounts, etc.

So just to play devils advocate

- I wouldn't expect any company to give an employee nearly 1 year salary just to be laid off. Especially during a recession. I'm assuming he still got a pension.
- the turbo isnt what defines being American, it was invented by a Swiss engineer
- global competition has made it a requirement for a lot of manufacturing to be outsourced or moved. I would hardly fault a company for doing what they feel they need to do to stay competitive.
- are the gm/ford legal issues based around quality or some contract dispute
-how many quality related garrett failures are happening in the performance community to warrant abondonment
- A lot of mass produced items are dramatically cheaper then people realize. Custom still isn't cheap
-r&d, advertising, equipment etc. are also dramtically more expensive then people realize


I'd rather see some deeper explanations


Saw this post on Supraforums and wanted to pass this along. It may be a repost but if not then heres the info..
idk if the guy really works for garrett or not but still some interesting things. could be just somebody who is pissed off at garrett as well. just take this with a grain of salt.

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I work at Garrett Turbos, now called Honeywell Turbo Technologies which there so proud of. When Cliff Garrett Owned Garrett He used to brown bag his lunch everyday and cared for a quality Product. If he knew what Honeywell has done now he would turn over in his grave. Honeywell bought Garrett In 1998 or 1999. After this they opened up a turbo testing lab in shanghai China and quickly moved there turbo overhaul to Mexicali Mexico, quickly after Garrett overhaul went belly-up. So they moved there whole production to Mexicali Mexico, as if that first failure was not a sign.

Garrett Turbos made a quality product for a fair price. A turbo is a precision instrument. Garrett turbos was part of Garrett Air Research (on 190th st. In Torrance ca.) Where they have a huge facility designing turbine engines, and so on. Most of the senior technicians in our main turbo facility (Lomita Blvd Torrance ca) came from our air research. If you’re building jet engines a turbo is not all that difficult. Well Cliff Garrett dies. At that time ALL production of Garrett Turbos was at Lomita Torrance ca. Also all engineering and research was there as well. After we were bought and production was sent to Mexico to save costs. Our production numbers doubled. And cost was cut in half our failure rate tripled. Well who cares Honeywell is making money and lots of it. Turbos are considered Honeywell’s golden egg. They feel that turbos are going to take over big. Which it already has in the diesel market. We make ford diesel turbos, daf, Chevrolet, some Audi, vw, fiat, Perkins. Millions of turbos. And there now all coming from china and Mexico. Well up until lately the company figured if the product was designed in the US and assembled in Mexico we would be ok. Well to further there profit and **** the customer once again....the LAST of what makes turbo American leaves in January 2011. We will close the doors to the Torrance Lab. In Torrance we did all our racing turbos (wrc stuff, Audi racing etc..) then in the garret garage we did the turbos you people buy for your Subaru’s. Actually I take that back. They take turbos that were made on a production line somewhere else in the world, and change a couple of parts on a bench in Torrance (wheels, housing..etc) and send it to you the customer saying it was made in the us.....no it was not it was just repackaged and altered a little. Well as of Jan 2011 all your turbos will be made in Mexico or china or Czech Republic. This is the last Garrett facility in the United States.

We have huge law suits pending due to turbo failures. GM is probably going to leave us.... ford has already sued us. Caterpillar has one of the largest recalls in garret history in the process. Our name is becoming ****. The last few VERY smart guys left in the company are being fired to save costs, but see our profit is already good.....they just want more. Please don’t spend 1500$ on a gt35r. Now that it’s costing Honeywell less to build turbos do you think you will see a smaller bill when you order there product? NO!. They are going to charge you even more for even less. There are countless procedures that are being terminated everyday that made our turbos THE BEST. They keep cutting corner after corner. Did you know that we shave metal off our turbine and compressor housings until they are at the EXTREME minimum needed to contain in the event of failure they are shaving every nickel off the cost of a turbo. Did you know that 2000$ gt40 you buy is all mark up. I won’t dare say the actual cost to the company in fear of a lawsuit but lets just say your sales tax is more then the production cost.

Do not buy these turbos. BorgWarner and mitsu are trying there best to compete with us making a quality product. Honeywell is using its big name to back junky turbos Like Toyota is starting to do. I guarantee in the next 8 months you will see a huge decline in quality. All designing and production is in CHINA AND MEXICO. Honeywell is taking back all there benefits they used to supply us with as employees. That way when they lay us off its as cheap as possible. Instead of saying "Well after we take a hit laying those people off we will make tons" they are just taking back all there benefits so they walk away clean and clear. We used to get a severance package. Which they just took away. One of the head engineers involved in the t3 project. (Designing the first t3) he is still with our company. he was supposed to get 44 weeks of pay if he ever got layed off (30 days and 1 week for every year with the company. 40 years with the company)Due to the new Honeywell rules he gets only 16 weeks pay they stole all that pack after promising it to him for 40 years. My fingers and about to fall off typing all this and I am heated so I don’t care about grammar I’m concerned about you people not supporting a Nazi company. Take your business elsewhere. Somewhere where you will get what your money pays for. Have a nice day and don’t forget if you hear the name HTT Honeywell Turbo Technologies Stay away

(They still use the garret stamp on the turbos)

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crazy this thread came up. i just recently received an email from a turbo company in china that stated they make turbo's for garrett and borg warner. they were trying to get me to purchase some turbos in mass quantity, but yea, as much as i wish i had 100k to blow on turbos, not quite a reality. lol
 
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