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How well do sway bar's work, how do you like them, and do they make the car handle much better? What about helping understeer? Thanks
 

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check out the "stop, drop and roll" section.
you'll have tons of infos


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I think I inadvertantly did a good test - I had my springs/shocks changed, and they forgot to tighten my rear sway bar - it was loose and therefore not working at all. I did a 2 day track event with basically no rear sway bar. I did notice the car seemed to be understeering a bit more than usual, but figured it was the springs. In fact, I didn't figure anything was wrong til the bar started rattling bad on bumps, then had the car checked and they found the 6 bolts all loose. Once the bar was reattached, I did notice the car understeering less on very fast cornering, but I still think the effect of sway bars is exaggerated, especially compared to stiffer spring/shocks, which are MUCH more noticeable. And they will NOT really improve handling quickness, they just reduce understeer (if the rear is increased - adding a larger front sway does nothing).
 

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Ckolsen: I don't think the effect of sways is exaggerated at all. Case in point was my old Integra Type R... That thing had a monster rear sway for a 2600lb. car (22mm!). It changed the balance of the integra from an understeering fool to a slightly-tail-happy FWD car.

They really do have a noticeable effect on handling balance.
 

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Ducati, how do you know the sway helped the handling? Did you ever take it off? Because the Type R has a lot of changes over the GSR, so unless you took the sway off, I don't think you can say what its effect was.

On 2001-10-19 07:29, ducati wrote:
Ckolsen: I don't think the effect of sways is exaggerated at all. Case in point was my old Integra Type R... That thing had a monster rear sway for a 2600lb. car (22mm!). It changed the balance of the integra from an understeering fool to a slightly-tail-happy FWD car. <P>They really do have a noticeable effect on handling balance.
 

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Sway bars make a huge difference.. I have H&R's on my IS...

I went in a test drive in someone who has an IS as well with just TRD Race Sway Bars.. It was a HUGE difference.. Cornering was improved by a lot! no more leaning whatsoever.. no more rocking right and left on turns.. felt much tighter... I would highly recommend them.. I'm actually getting a set very soon.. If any one wants a great price let me know..
 

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I think sway bars should be viewed as tuning devices to either tweak any undesireable handling characteristics or create a different handling manner.

The degree to which sway bars affects the ride of a car is completely dependent on the car they are on and the suspension setup of the car either in OEM trim or aftermarket. IMO it all comes down to a matter of degree.

Would the TRD race sway bars make a noticeable difference on the OEM springs and dampers. The answer would have to be YES. I'll go out on a limb and say a large difference.

Would the TRD race sway bars make a noticeable difference on an IS 300 w/aftermarket springs and shocks. Probably yes, but to a lesser degree.

I did incremental suspension mods. I first installed the TRD race sway bars and drove around w/the OEM springs/dampers for 2-3 months. The ride change was dramatically improved. However, once I changed to aftermarket springs and shocks, the change was not as noticeable. I never had the chance to drive the aftermarket springs/dampers w/OEM sway bars so cannot make a statement on that set up.

Ultimately, I don't think a blanket statement that sway bars don't do that much is necessarily accurate. IMO they always make a difference, it's just a matter of degree.
 

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On 2001-11-10 11:48, Risk3233 wrote:
I think sway bars should be viewed as tuning devices to either tweak any undesireable handling characteristics or create a different handling manner.
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Couldn't agree with you more, Risk. Sway bars, in actuality, make an independent suspension less "independent," so why overdo it? A stock IS is already very competent in the handling department. But like most cars, it looks (and handles even) better when it's lowered.

On a race car, yeah, go all out--make everything proportionately stiffer. But go overboard on a street-driven car and I think you'll find that over typical irregular road surfaces your overall ride quality will suffer *and* your overall grip will actually go down because the tires can't maintain as much contact. Not something you want during a street road race...
 

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I would have to agree with Risk:

He is the one that I first spoke with about the TRD RACE sways, after he ordered/installed them and I have to say that everything that he has stated above is nothing but the truth. I have the TRD Race sways installed and the diffrence between OEM and the TRD Race Sways is night and day. IMO ofcourse. I run autox events with my IS and I enjoy driving my car. The sway bars have improved my autox times and made driving on the road a more accelerated experiance when turning. As for ride quality, I have personally not experianced any loss of ride quality. I have noticed that yes when extreme turning is encountered that the car will break loose, but I believe thats my fault folks, since my sway bars I can push the car that much harder when turning so breaking loose the tires happens. hehehehehe As far as street racing, unless you are trying to comit suicide, last I checked racing in traffic is a morons game IMO. If I had money for everytime some punk in his 3 series bmw tried to run me on the highway and almost kill us both I would be a very rich man.

Just my 2 cents
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