Could this be a possible competitor to our IS? Your thought
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Probably not in the US if they give it an I4. Their Miller-Cycle V6 is one option, but I don't like that engine all that much, either (boring!).
The rotary would be an interesting choice (smooooooth I love those things), although Americans tend not to like them due to low torque.. But I didn't see any specs on the new one, and IIRC it makes alot more torque than the old NA rotaries.
Hmmn.. Seems Mazda is picking up the sport ball once again.. The car rags were falling all over themselves about the MP3 (even so far as to rate it above the SE-R, amazing..) but it's lack of power was ALWAYS mentioned. Mazda needs to infuse their entire line with some power.
The rotary would be an interesting choice (smooooooth I love those things), although Americans tend not to like them due to low torque.. But I didn't see any specs on the new one, and IIRC it makes alot more torque than the old NA rotaries.
Hmmn.. Seems Mazda is picking up the sport ball once again.. The car rags were falling all over themselves about the MP3 (even so far as to rate it above the SE-R, amazing..) but it's lack of power was ALWAYS mentioned. Mazda needs to infuse their entire line with some power.
Competitor? Not with an I4 but in terms of looks, it's not too bad (probably because the "look" is so familiar). As far as these so called "knock-offs", it just gives Lexus/Toyota something to think about when they consider redesigning the IS/Altezza.
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It sits a frag below the new Altime in the market. For Export it's going to be known as the Mazda 6 (somebody must've been up all night working on that) and in the 'States only the four-door sedan and wagon will be available.
I had a little seat time in one after the Tokyo show, and it's not bad for a front-driver. The new engine's surprisingly punchy for a four, and unlike every other over 2.0 liter four I've driven pretty smooth. The automatic Atenza is about as quick as an Altezza AS200 (the IS200) automatic, but not even in the same game as the IS300.
the five-door (which looks liek a swoopier version of the sedan) is the best looker of the lot, though I concur on the fact the Mazda 'five-point' grille looks poxy, while the chrome-encrusted taillamps and yellow used for cars in the promotional shots are proof to Toyota that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. If the name didn't tip the point. Mind you in Japan the Atenza's going to be considerably cheaper than even an Altezza AS200, so it will be in pursuit of a different customer.
In any event, saying the Atenza handles well for a front-drive car is like being the healthiest person in the Intensive Care Unit.
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I had a little seat time in one after the Tokyo show, and it's not bad for a front-driver. The new engine's surprisingly punchy for a four, and unlike every other over 2.0 liter four I've driven pretty smooth. The automatic Atenza is about as quick as an Altezza AS200 (the IS200) automatic, but not even in the same game as the IS300.
the five-door (which looks liek a swoopier version of the sedan) is the best looker of the lot, though I concur on the fact the Mazda 'five-point' grille looks poxy, while the chrome-encrusted taillamps and yellow used for cars in the promotional shots are proof to Toyota that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. If the name didn't tip the point. Mind you in Japan the Atenza's going to be considerably cheaper than even an Altezza AS200, so it will be in pursuit of a different customer.
In any event, saying the Atenza handles well for a front-drive car is like being the healthiest person in the Intensive Care Unit.
910T
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It will be offered with a decent 3.0L V6 actually. Should have around 220 hp.
The V6 also will be available with a manual tranny, which leads me to think that car will be sporty and the audiance wide.
The V6 also will be available with a manual tranny, which leads me to think that car will be sporty and the audiance wide.
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Certainly a good lookin car... very nice.
But ya know what... it's still gonna be a MAZDA. No changin that....
But ya know what... it's still gonna be a MAZDA. No changin that....
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WTF!
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looks like a carbon copy of the IS300
looks like a carbon copy of the IS300
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On 2001-12-15 12:13, fortyounce wrote:
WTF!
looks like a carbon copy of the IS300
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No it doesn't. It looks exactally like an Acura RSX though. Still a rip off...:smile:
On 2001-12-15 12:13, fortyounce wrote:
WTF!
looks like a carbon copy of the IS300
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No it doesn't. It looks exactally like an Acura RSX though. Still a rip off...:smile:
It definitely looks like a knock-off but I think that is more of a compliment to the IS300. I don't know about performance and reliability though since they are owned by FORD. It is an approvement over the current 626 and will probably get people to buy it who aren't going to want to pay for the higher quality and performance of Lexus/Acura/etc. However while browsing the site I found a car that would be nice to have and at an estimate supercar price too.
http://www.canadiandriver.com/previews/vw_w12.htm
http://www.canadiandriver.com/previews/vw_w12.htm
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On 2001-12-15 13:18, JZ'S IS3 wrote:
It definitely looks like a knock-off but I think that is more of a compliment to the IS300. I don't know about performance and reliability though since they are owned by FORD. It is an approvement over the current 626 and will probably get people to buy it who aren't going to want to pay for the higher quality and performance of Lexus/Acura/etc. However while browsing the site I found a car that would be nice to have and at an estimate supercar price too.
http://www.canadiandriver.com/previews/vw_w12.htm
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Hell NO! If I have enough dope to buy a super car, I ain't goin' buy it from VW. I'll go for Porsche, or Ferrari. What THE ___ ...
On 2001-12-15 13:18, JZ'S IS3 wrote:
It definitely looks like a knock-off but I think that is more of a compliment to the IS300. I don't know about performance and reliability though since they are owned by FORD. It is an approvement over the current 626 and will probably get people to buy it who aren't going to want to pay for the higher quality and performance of Lexus/Acura/etc. However while browsing the site I found a car that would be nice to have and at an estimate supercar price too.
http://www.canadiandriver.com/previews/vw_w12.htm
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Hell NO! If I have enough dope to buy a super car, I ain't goin' buy it from VW. I'll go for Porsche, or Ferrari. What THE ___ ...
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On 2001-12-15 13:37, masayako wrote:
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Hell NO! If I have enough dope to buy a super car, I ain't goin' buy it from VW. I'll go for Porsche, or Ferrari. What THE ___ ...
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Calm down! I didn't say I would buy it. Just said I wouldn't mind having one. If I had the cash to buy a car of that caliber I would personally buy an F1 McLaren race car.
On 2001-12-15 13:37, masayako wrote:
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Hell NO! If I have enough dope to buy a super car, I ain't goin' buy it from VW. I'll go for Porsche, or Ferrari. What THE ___ ...
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Calm down! I didn't say I would buy it. Just said I wouldn't mind having one. If I had the cash to buy a car of that caliber I would personally buy an F1 McLaren race car.
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Actually the new Mazda 6 is coming with an optional 3.0l V6 rated at 219hp. It has dual exhaust but Im dont know if it is FWD or RWD.
Check out this movie from Edmunds:
http://www.edmunds.com/video/mazda.html#
Looks pretty cool if you ask me, but Im biased. I've always loved the looks of the RX7 and I run http://www.mx6.com.
Check out this movie from Edmunds:
http://www.edmunds.com/video/mazda.html#
Looks pretty cool if you ask me, but Im biased. I've always loved the looks of the RX7 and I run http://www.mx6.com.
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