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If you follow stereotypes and traditional gender roles, women are supposed to be the child bearers, homemakers and peacekeepers of this society. As we reach adulthood, we're expected to balance full-time paying jobs, housework and, eventually, child-rearing. Sometimes it's just plain hard to be a girl in today's society. There's the competitive need to always look our best, be physically fit --preferably model thin-- and be appropriately dressed for any occasion. There are official competitions held on the sole basis of who the prettiest girl is. There are TV reality shows on being transformed into a beautiful, whole person through unnatural means, such as plastic surgery. Education and career are quickly entering the "competition" as well. The pressures are enough to make anyone crazy.

But I've found a weird, yet special place, where, unexpectedly, a lot of those pressures of society don't always apply: Internet car forums. As long as you enjoy cars, it's a great place to be. In addition to learning about cars, you're exposed to a culture where external appearances and formal education don't matter as much. Due to the sheer fact that guys greatly outnumber girls on the forums, girls are [almost] always treated well. The same mouth that is cussing out another guy on the forum is also the same mouth that's sweet-talking us girls, offering car help, advice, etc. Since I've been on the forums, I've only encountered nice guys. It's kind of weird to be treated so well by perfect strangers, who wouldn't know me from any other girl on the street. Am I complaining? Heck, no!

Gosh, I've wondered, what if car forums were dominated by girls instead of guys? What would they be like? I can imagine it now. For one thing, there wouldn't be the massive displays of testosterone. There wouldn't be the need to "flame" or "beat" someone down verbally. There wouldn't be all the name-calling and cussing each other out. We probably wouldn't call each other "motherf***ers" or "a** holes" or other such commonly used insults. "F*ck" and "sh*t" have reached new heights of usage in today's [male-dominated] car forum world. Those two words seem to be applicable in basically every situation or sentence written. The slightest insinuation that perhaps the entire truth isn't being told can result in vicious written flaying. (See "The Street" or "Go Faster" for some examples.) Most of the time, girls aren't hostile or volatile until provoked or threatened. When needed, our cusswords of choice would probably be "b*tch" or something along those lines, as well as the traditional insult, such as "slut" or "whore" thrown into the mix. And I'm sure they wouldn't be thrown around as easily or often (unless of course, guys are involved, but that's a completely different issue). Although it's interesting to note that "b*tch" is used quite often currently. Guys seem to find it an enormous travesty to be called anything even remotely female. In fact, calling someone a "g*rl" is almost guaranteed to invoke a response from some members. I don't think girls would find it as offensive to be called a "guy" by some random strangers online. [Note: Girls would be VERY insulted if that happened in person though.]

If girls ruled car forums, might forum contents drastically change? There wouldn't be any fighting about whose car or which tuner produced the highest HP car. That's easily resolved with hard data or dyno sheets. No need to argue about that! There would probably be more "discussions" about whose car looks the best. The car-related aspects of the forum might slowly wither, while the PL would grow exponentially. Could "Inside & Out" incorporate clothes, shoes and handbags as well? The regional sections would have more "sale" threads, such as "OMG, Stila's having their warehouse sale in LA this weekend!!” The PL would have more pics of hot guys, rather than naked girls. We'd also have threads on recipes and cooking, as well as favorite places to bargain shop. The "WTB" and "For Sale" sections could hold listings such as "WTB Seven or Blue Cult Jeans, size 29" and "FS: Gently Used Manolo Shoes, Size 7". We'd probably be more open about posting our pictures, since with more girls and less guys, it wouldn't be as intimidating. Knowing that a bunch of unknown guys are looking at your picture is quite daunting. Currently, I don't see guys being pressured into posting their pictures on .NET. And when a picture is posted, it's not a big deal. Why is that? But that could all change if roles were reversed, and girls ruled IS300.NET.

Okay, enough of that imaginary world. I'm getting goose bumps. I'd rather have today's IS300.NET as it currently stands, with a wealth of anything IS-related, a few other goodies and a bunch of crazy (and car-crazy) guys.

©2006 my.IS
Alrighty, now it's YOUR turn. What do you gals want to say? Contact me or post your stories and articles to .CHICK for review!<br>
Big thanks to irv_usc & much love to jruhi4 for reading & editing!! Thanks to my .NET partner in crime, ms. ltunedgirl, for her support! Like with everything else these days, this stuff can't be duplicated, reproduced or rewritten without my consent. ;)
 

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Nice write up, Esther!


But Shauna, you know that we used to get into some verbal sparring matches when you were princess4. Ahh, the good ol days!

Hey, I just started working at Banana Republic. Gotta love the discount!
 

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Nice write up. =) It's great to have a place for girls interested in cars because there's so few of us out there. Props for us girls.
 

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hey ltunedgirl, just read on the Overboost article and said you're a mechanical engineer?? is this true? Or did i miss read something? I mean, if you're you a ME in the day and mod your IS in your freetime, you're living my dream! :approve: I just graduated in june with BSME from ucla. Fellow ME on .NET with an awesome ride? hehe, you're my new idol.. :worship:
 

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Bruinette,
I am a ME and actually just got a Master's in ME from USC back in May.
BTW ladies, notice that the header pic is of a chics car :)

Oh yeah, and is300girl, all that crap we talked was just that. I remember it, good times :)
 

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"Car Stuff" isnt necessarily limited to guys only.
For a fact, its the crossing of "taboos" that limits guys and girls from crossing gender stereotypes. It is this "taboo" that cars are for guys which i think needs a little rocking in the import scene. In my opinion , its great to have girls as interested in cars and owning nice cars... not just as the bimbo models that show their tits. (Tho, sometimes thats nice too)
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Why is it that some guys need to drink beer, play football and act "manly" around other guys? Why is it that they feel the need to be destructive, juvenile, and irresponsible?
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Why is it that some girls feel the need to sustain relationships with loser boyfriends that mistreat them? Not to mention the insanity that is associated with shopping and physical beauty?
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The answer is that Society has perpetuated "stereotypes" into us, from ALL aspects of our lives, which have in turn, subliminally forced us to become a "man" or a "woman".
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Men drink beer. Men are loud. Men dont need to shower... thats just PART of the man stereotype.
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Women should cook and clean. Women should be mothers first, career second... all part of the female stereotype.
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Think about it... how many advertisements have you seen before which depicted good ole' mom in the kitchen cooking while kind ole' dad was sitting waiting for his meal reading a news paper?
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How about advertisements of little girls playing with barbies and little makeup kits at the age of 5?
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How about ads for little boys playing with hot wheels and army men at the age of 5 as well?

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You know, God forbid that any little boy would play with a barbie doll or that any little girl will play with a hot wheels car over a "little hoe makeup kit".
And what about the parents? Its not only the advertisements and companys that perpetuate the stereotypes, but the parents as well. How many parents have you seen not buy cars for little girls even if they are asking for them? How many parents DO NOT buy a doll figurine for their son saying that its "Not right for you to have that son... How about this action figure of G. Bush decapitating Osama instead?"
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But i think that there is a type of a "break" occuring in society today which has many people on edge at times. With all the new laws and approvals of gay marriage, a formerly "taboo" subject, i can see that society is starting to look at their own stereotypes a little bit closer.
Granted, not everyone thinks gay marriage is ok, but in my own opinion, if any one from .net told me they were gay, i wouldnt judge them any different from any other .net member. (Unless of course they pull the "ricer drive-by blink blink blink" with the hazzards... then id just have to beat them down cuz thats appropriate).

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Also, the new trends of the "Metro-Sexual" male are becoming more prevalent in society. Metrosexual males are showing us that guys can shower and look clean and well dressed and still be straight. There is nothing wrong with a guy taking care of himself. (Also, its nice that some guys are showering more)

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I agree with all the girls on the forum by saying that the car scene would be completely different if girls ruled the car world. Think about it.. instead of free tire dressing at the Mequiers booth, you might get a free Dooney and Burke spray nozzle or a mini Prada wheel lock.
Body kits would definately be less ricey and cars would be judged not just on HP, but on the quality of the stitching in the Louis Vuton rear custom seats.
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(wow.. that would cost a grip)
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Im sure places like .Net would be different too. There would most likely be two "Sale Forums" with one being for clothes and shoes.

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In my own opinion, having girls interested in cars is a great thing. Its nice to meet a girl who is as hardcore about cars as most of the guys here. I think breaking the stereotypes that are perpetuated by society is really needed in this ever progressing thing we like to call life. As far as women ruling the car world, umm.. i dont think that will happen any time soon... It would take quite a few generations of Ltuned girls and Thunderclouds and LadyVenoms before something like that ever happened.
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And most likely, guys wont be playing with Barbies anytime soon. Although, i know some of the guys on here might do that already.
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I agree with Esther in the fact that a car forum gives many people a chance to escape some of the pressures and stresses of society. I find myself drawn to is300.net all the time, to see who's a newbie today, or to help out some of the newer members with intake, exhaust, or lighting questions. Its funny how much knowledge of the is300 i really have considering that ive been around since .Net was first created and Clublexus as well. Thats right, im an O.G. is300.netter.
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I recall at one meet recently i told 5 newbies about the is300 alarm system and how if we all pushed lock at the same time none of our cars would react.. long an behold, they doubted me but we tried it and i was right on the money. Its funny the types of tricks you pick up through just owning a certain car for quite a while.
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To all the girls of .NEt, its great to have you. You are definately breaking through some tough barriers at times. Im sure many of you have had lewd emails or PMs with numbers from some crazy high school kids that have no girlfriends. Dont worry, some girl will come along and save them soon enough.
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As for myself, i believe that crossing gender boundaries should be something that we should all focus on not only for ourselves, but with our children as well. Now, im not saying go out and buy some makeup and try it on.. No, no.. Mel Gibson already did that.. but speaking of movies of that nature, its great to see that society is attempting to show the hardships of women though media such as movies. I think its great to see society taking steps in the right path to expanding the human mind to aspects of society which would have otherwise remained unseen and unknown about.

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For all the female members, congrats on being new and original and not just slapping on a bikini but actually owning a car instead.


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girls, chicks, women, whatever, rock!

I love your comments about chicks on car websites. I've surfed quite a bit on IS300.net to answer questions that I've had, but haven't felt the need to post that much. I just enjoy reading the comments and topics that people post.

I agree to what thundercloud said about what this site would look like if we ran it. It would be a lot more courteous without the BS put-downs I see all the time. If we were running the website, I'd probably post a thread of which color IS would look best with my Dooney Bourke? hahahaha Can you imagine the comments I'd get from the dudes?!

There are very very few IS300's in south GA, especially owned by chicks. The Southern Ladies down here don't hold jobs and drive Lexus' (or is it Lexi?), but they're the RX SUV types. Most guys think that the car is my husband's or boyfriend's. What a bunch of male chauvenist pigs! My ride may be stock, but I can still shift with the best of em'! Eat my dust losers...

Anyway, it's cool to hear about other chicks out and about. It would be nice if we had our own meets and clubs so we could compare notes without worrying about the testosterone element...
 

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Just my $0.02, but I've never seen back and forth verbal banter be anywhere near as bad as when two females go at it! LOL! :eek:)
 

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Hey, Im a newbie chick around here, obviously, but I totally agree! Most guys DROOL when they meet chicks that have phat rides, especially ones who actually KNOW what their car can do. Mad props to all the ladies with badass IS's!!!!
Missy

<P>Oh, do any of you take your cars to the meets in O-town? I'm going on the 5th. Just wondering if any other chicks will be there?
 

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Nice

Wow nice article you wrote, very many deep thoughts and opinions.
In some ways I feel the same way, I just got my car two weeks ago, and I'm so much in love with it. Glad to joi this cite too.
Good luck with everything!

If you follow stereotypes and traditional gender roles, women are supposed to be the child bearers, homemakers and peacekeepers of this society. As we reach adulthood, we're expected to balance full-time paying jobs, housework and, eventually, child-rearing. Sometimes it's just plain hard to be a girl in today's society. There's the competitive need to always look our best, be physically fit --preferably model thin-- and be appropriately dressed for any occasion. There are official competitions held on the sole basis of who the prettiest girl is. There are TV reality shows on being transformed into a beautiful, whole person through unnatural means, such as plastic surgery. Education and career are quickly entering the "competition" as well. The pressures are enough to make anyone crazy.

But I've found a weird, yet special place, where, unexpectedly, a lot of those pressures of society don't always apply: Internet car forums. As long as you enjoy cars, it's a great place to be. In addition to learning about cars, you're exposed to a culture where external appearances and formal education don't matter as much. Due to the sheer fact that guys greatly outnumber girls on the forums, girls are [almost] always treated well. The same mouth that is cussing out another guy on the forum is also the same mouth that's sweet-talking us girls, offering car help, advice, etc. Since I've been on the forums, I've only encountered nice guys. It's kind of weird to be treated so well by perfect strangers, who wouldn't know me from any other girl on the street. Am I complaining? Heck, no!

Gosh, I've wondered, what if car forums were dominated by girls instead of guys? What would they be like? I can imagine it now. For one thing, there wouldn't be the massive displays of testosterone. There wouldn't be the need to "flame" or "beat" someone down verbally. There wouldn't be all the name-calling and cussing each other out. We probably wouldn't call each other "motherf***ers" or "a** holes" or other such commonly used insults. "F*ck" and "sh*t" have reached new heights of usage in today's [male-dominated] car forum world. Those two words seem to be applicable in basically every situation or sentence written. The slightest insinuation that perhaps the entire truth isn't being told can result in vicious written flaying. (See "The Street" or "Go Faster" for some examples.) Most of the time, girls aren't hostile or volatile until provoked or threatened. When needed, our cusswords of choice would probably be "b*tch" or something along those lines, as well as the traditional insult, such as "slut" or "whore" thrown into the mix. And I'm sure they wouldn't be thrown around as easily or often (unless of course, guys are involved, but that's a completely different issue). Although it's interesting to note that "b*tch" is used quite often currently. Guys seem to find it an enormous travesty to be called anything even remotely female. In fact, calling someone a "g*rl" is almost guaranteed to invoke a response from some members. I don't think girls would find it as offensive to be called a "guy" by some random strangers online. [Note: Girls would be VERY insulted if that happened in person though.]

If girls ruled car forums, might forum contents drastically change? There wouldn't be any fighting about whose car or which tuner produced the highest HP car. That's easily resolved with hard data or dyno sheets. No need to argue about that! There would probably be more "discussions" about whose car looks the best. The car-related aspects of the forum might slowly wither, while the PL would grow exponentially. Could "Inside & Out" incorporate clothes, shoes and handbags as well? The regional sections would have more "sale" threads, such as "OMG, Stila's having their warehouse sale in LA this weekend!!” The PL would have more pics of hot guys, rather than naked girls. We'd also have threads on recipes and cooking, as well as favorite places to bargain shop. The "WTB" and "For Sale" sections could hold listings such as "WTB Seven or Blue Cult Jeans, size 29" and "FS: Gently Used Manolo Shoes, Size 7". We'd probably be more open about posting our pictures, since with more girls and less guys, it wouldn't be as intimidating. Knowing that a bunch of unknown guys are looking at your picture is quite daunting. Currently, I don't see guys being pressured into posting their pictures on .NET. And when a picture is posted, it's not a big deal. Why is that? But that could all change if roles were reversed, and girls ruled IS300.NET.

Okay, enough of that imaginary world. I'm getting goose bumps. I'd rather have today's IS300.NET as it currently stands, with a wealth of anything IS-related, a few other goodies and a bunch of crazy (and car-crazy) guys.

©2006 my.IS
Alrighty, now it's YOUR turn. What do you gals want to say? Contact me or post your stories and articles to .CHICK for review!<br>
Big thanks to irv_usc & much love to jruhi4 for reading & editing!! Thanks to my .NET partner in crime, ms. ltunedgirl, for her support! Like with everything else these days, this stuff can't be duplicated, reproduced or rewritten without my consent. ;)
 
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