[IS Pilot]

I believe Ken (a51 hype) and Dave (a51 fab) are brother inlaw's. Dave married Ken's sister. I hope that clears up the connection for some people. Anyway Dave still owe's PLP $1200 cash, I have waited a few times at Will's Custom Connection (in our same business park) where Dave bought the green Acura recently (what a small world)
Mike

 

[Eminence]

Dave also still owes me 1000. Both Dave and Ken said they would try to bring this sitation to an end

 

[Area51Hype]

Eminence, I remember that name slightly Im sure you've been fairly consistant at bad mouthing A51 any chance you get. Its not that complicated, for most its really pretty simple and I'll try to explain it once again.
Ok, first off the 2nd Gen. intake box was completed by Area51Fabrications. Unfortunatly never put into production due to the closing. New supercharger system so there iss no new airbox? A51Fab made four designs for the supercharger for the IS300 and the only difference was the company that produced the units. And again there is no new one. Next, do I feel I can steal designs from other manufactures and make their product? Thats Pretty Stupid man. I can continue to produce the A51 product as I see fit because the previous owner is again a very good freind of mine. Third, Ive never said anything about releasing new product. Maybe in a few years I'll start a fabrications shop where we can do designs and researh and develope new products. But untill then it will only be the existing A51 product that is sold or distributed.
Then of course theres the "same company different names" issue. How many times do I have to say no? The previous owner is a very good freind of mine. Lets just say hypathetically that you had a freind who invested over 13 million dollars into a company he started and ran for four years. Then decided to close down and cut the losses for whatever reason and all he had left was the master molds of all the completed products they sold and a company name known for making awsome parts.
Then you came along and told him you wanted to start your own performance parts company and he told you that you could use the name that was allready established and sell the product that was still in demand. All of this as a gift or a favor if you will that cost you nothing. Would you say no? Because of the name I've been able to establish over 100 direct accounts with different vendors and distributors that allready knew of the A51 name. Because of the of the product I have been able to to be an exculsive distributor on the A51 line. Now because I share the same name that is the reason I've been trying to settle any unfinished business from the old company. Ive been working with Edgy to try to fix his issue. He only posted because I havent been on this site for quite a long while to check post or PMs. I've been working with anyone who has been able to prove with a invoice or through previous employess of A51fab that there was unsettled business. I offered the IS_Pilot the Pro Lex owner a 2JZ motor for unsettled business. Anyone who has proof of unsettled business I've worked with, though legaly Im not bound to do anyrhing. I've have been trying to settle things regaurless.
You say the old A51 owes you $1000.00. Fax me a copy of the incompleted invoice that was never satisfied. The previous owner retained excellent records so I'll be able to see everything I need on my end. Ive put a simalar post before saying if you had proof of unsettled business I would work with you. There have been a few fakes that were just trying to get over but ended up with nothing so I ask you now do not waste my time. If what you are saying is legitamate and you have proof fax me @650-525-9050 or send PMs I will try to check this site at least twice a week. To the A51 suporters, those of you that have the product and have seen the quality of A51 allready know we do business and we do it right thanks again.

Thanks for backing me up Wxman.
How are you going to tell us that you are not fabricating products? Didn't the "new" air intake box needed to be fabricated? And what about the "new" supercharger" system, you posted up.


And as to your comment about, you're abiligate to produce any products that you feel fits, due to demands. What you are telling me is that I can take other manufacture's ideas duplicated and make profit off of it? Damn dude, you might as well go bankrupt now because you are looking at lawsuit head over heels.

Different owners, staffs? Seems like you are getting help and affliation with the old owner, Dave. Again, it jus seems like you took out the Fabrication and placed it with Hyperformance. Area51Fab did the same thing, they fab and also distribute products. Hence, thats how we got started with the company.

As Wxman has stated up above, if you are claiming that this is two seperate and different companies, why are you paying for their debts? In my own personal opinion, your company aren't doing anything to resolve such claims from the old accounts. Making all these statements, but again there isn't anything to show for it. IS300.Net is a big forum, and almost every lexus is300 enthuasiast comes onto this site, and they research about everything little thing, from parts to companie's reputation. And the way things are going for your company as a IS300 part fab/distrib. you are at a downfall. It wasn't too long ago, your company posted up claim of new products coming out, and 2 weeks later, nothing to show for.

 

[Area 51 Dave]

Area 51 Fabrications has been out of business for almost a year. Although it has not yet declared bankruptcy, it soon will. There is no new product forthcoming, and essentially all of the old product has been sold in debt repayment. I will continue to attempt to resolve old debts, but most likely will be handled through bankruptcy. Anyone who is claiming a debt should contact Ken, provide him with the appropriate documentation, and if possible, I will try to resolve it. I am NOT making any promises, and being a D&%K is the surest way to just get added to the bankruptcy pool As a side note, even if I can manage to pay you off.....those funds may be reclaimed in bankruptcy court and distributed among other debtors.

To date, Ken, and his shop have been the only people selling old Area 51 Fabrications inventory. As I mentioned, that inventory is essentially gone and no other will be developed or released. The only question surrounds the body kit molds, because they are sitting in a warehouse and still capable of producing product. If I had any additional $$$, I could manufacture some kits for sale and help pay off A51 debt, but as I have personally lost everything, I don't have the money to invest in producing product.

Ken is a good friend, he asked to use "Area 51" when naming his company, and as a favor to him I obliged. If I had any idea it would cause him this much heartache, I would have refused to let him use the name. Ken, I'm sorry this is causing you so many problems. Ultimately, the failure at Area 51 Fabrications lies at my feet, and I'm sorry you get dragged into protecting me. Let people say what they will, with a few exceptions, people were generally very happy with my old business, and I have yet to see a happy crowd whenever a business goes bankrupt.

I will not be checking PMs, email, or this post again.....the members of this board can badmouth me and Area 51 Fabrications until you are blue in the face....I really don't care, you can't make me feel any worse than I already do for having to close the shop down....especially in the manner it closed. Please, please don't drag Ken into my mess though....he is a hardworking guy who is just trying to make it in this industry.

Peace

 

[Eminence]

my company have faxed over our reciept of the paper work we had recieve from the Postal Inspection Service, proof of Area51 had cashed the money order. Usually we do not get Invoices until after recieve the merchandise. As I have stated to you before many PMs ago, that we never recieved any invoice whatsoever. After I had faxed over what I had over to you, you never responded back to me.

You're saying that Area51fab holds their record, etc., now you tell me, what happened to the the $1,000 U.S Postal Money Order in which they had cashed. The only proof that i got in my hands right now are the statement from the Inspectional Service, saying that the M.O was cashed months before my company and I heard of the situation with the Area51.

I'm not bad mouthing any, I am just letting people know of the situation, and have them aware of what they could be possibly dealing with.

Now can we get this straight. Dave is saying you asked to use the name, but Ken, you're saying he insisted? Which one is it?

In legal and technical terms, Area51Fab gave the company up to you, since Dave could no longer handle it, financially. Apparently they had invest 13million dollars in research and development, he could of sold all his investment and research to many companys but he chosed to give it up to you without a penny given, thats pretty hard to believe. I understand dave is in a deep debt situation, but one think i cant understand is, he could of sold assets and other things to compensate for his debts.

 

[Area51Hype]

Ok, my patience is wearing thin with you and I dont have the time to waste to keep making these post. I remember who you are now and can recall a little of what we discussed in the past. Like I said before, if you cannot produce in writting proof that there was a unsettled order I will not help you. And yes you do get a receipt when you put a deposit on a order. If you didnt and did not request one after paying the suposed $1000.00 deposit thats really foolish. If I payed a $1000.00 deposit I want a receipt for that deposit. Read my post again and tell me where it said "insisted." I was trying to get you to understand my stand point by giving you a "hypothetical" situation. What is between me and Dave is none of your concern. If he decided to let me run with the A51 name and sell the product and do it all as a favor thats between us. Oh yeah and F.Y.I. if you have a company under a corperate idenity and your going to file bankruptcy. Pull your assets and retain as much as you can. The companies credit standing and trade history is going to be ruined regaurdless. Its called cutting your loses. I dont know what your deal is but from the sound of things you have way to much time on your hands and have a for need attention. Unless you can show proof there is nothing else I need to say.

my company have faxed over our reciept of the paper work we had recieve from the Postal Inspection Service, proof of Area51 had cashed the money order. Usually we do not get Invoices until after recieve the merchandise. As I have stated to you before many PMs ago, that we never recieved any invoice whatsoever. After I had faxed over what I had over to you, you never responded back to me.

You're saying that Area51fab holds their record, etc., now you tell me, what happened to the the $1,000 U.S Postal Money Order in which they had cashed. The only proof that i got in my hands right now are the statement from the Inspectional Service, saying that the M.O was cashed months before my company and I heard of the situation with the Area51.

I'm not bad mouthing any, I am just letting people know of the situation, and have them aware of what they could be possibly dealing with.

Now can we get this straight. Dave is saying you asked to use the name, but Ken, you're saying he insisted? Which one is it?

In legal and technical terms, Area51Fab gave the company up to you, since Dave could no longer handle it, financially. Apparently they had invest 13million dollars in research and development, he could of sold all his investment and research to many companys but he chosed to give it up to you without a penny given, thats pretty hard to believe. I understand dave is in a deep debt situation, but one think i cant understand is, he could of sold assets and other things to compensate for his debts.

 

[dasgalloway]

Maybe you are just not a good public speaker Hype... you seem to keep switching your story.

Are you just selling off old inventory or did you obtain the rights to manufacture the products? Dave says you're just selling off existing inventory. If that is the case, I hope you paid him a fair price for them which he will be using to settle debts from the bankruptcy... if not some customers who buy these products from you could legally be forced to give them back up with no compensation if the bankruptcy court rules they were illegally transferred to avoid being lost in the bankruptcy.

Personally I think you made a huge error in using the A51 name... when a company goes bankrupt you aquire their assets, their customers, their business... but you almost never keep using their name. :shame:

 

[rllinghardis300]

Area51 new or old, what you are seeing here is a group of adult, educated owners. These owners obviously do research into products for their cars and the company that produces these parts. Unlike the Honda type drivers who are pretty much 16-22 years of age, IS300 owners, especially the ones that are on this forum quite often, are mature drivers that know more than just what the magazines say about a product. It appears they know more about the world in general, business, ethics, etc. Its just hard to believe, and i know you don't care what some say or think, which is a down fall for any customer service orientated business, that a company that was having problems with accounts could file or declare filing bankruptcy and then still other companies are willing to extend products to the new company.
My .02

 

[IS300eR]

mind doing all this throught *PM*'s ? :roll:

 

[Eminence]

Ken, i can careless now about the $1,000. And i can careless about your relation with Dave. I am just letting everyone know, my situation, and your companie's reputation.

And believe or not, we did not get any invoice from Area51Fab. Like i said previously, we normally dont recieve any invoice what so ever after a order, until weeks afterwards. We have an account with Area51, and it wasn't too much of a concern at the time, because their reputation was outstanding, but now it's the total opposite. If everything i am saying sound unbelievable, you can talk to Sharon, who handles our account, or even Matt.

And one more thing, if you are quickly running out patience, with just one person, you're in the wrong business then. This is telling us how your customer service is in the future.

 

[dasgalloway]

mind doing all this throught *PM*'s ? :roll:

I think this is something that should be available in a public forum. Users who want to do research about companies should know when something potentially shady is going on... if its not shady the company will be able to defend themselves by telling the truth and making everyone comfortable.

 

[TomC]

Ok, my patience is wearing thin with you and I dont have the time to waste to keep making these post. I remember who you are now and can recall a little of what we discussed in the past. Like I said before, if you cannot produce in writting proof that there was a unsettled order I will not help you. And yes you do get a receipt when you put a deposit on a order. If you didnt and did not request one after paying the suposed $1000.00 deposit thats really foolish. If I payed a $1000.00 deposit I want a receipt for that deposit. Read my post again and tell me where it said "insisted." I was trying to get you to understand my stand point by giving you a "hypothetical" situation. What is between me and Dave is none of your concern. If he decided to let me run with the A51 name and sell the product and do it all as a favor thats between us. Oh yeah and F.Y.I. if you have a company under a corperate idenity and your going to file bankruptcy. Pull your assets and retain as much as you can. The companies credit standing and trade history is going to be ruined regaurdless. Its called cutting your loses. I dont know what your deal is but from the sound of things you have way to much time on your hands and have a for need attention. Unless you can show proof there is nothing else I need to say.

my company have faxed over our reciept of the paper work we had recieve from the Postal Inspection Service, proof of Area51 had cashed the money order. Usually we do not get Invoices until after recieve the merchandise. As I have stated to you before many PMs ago, that we never recieved any invoice whatsoever. After I had faxed over what I had over to you, you never responded back to me.

You're saying that Area51fab holds their record, etc., now you tell me, what happened to the the $1,000 U.S Postal Money Order in which they had cashed. The only proof that i got in my hands right now are the statement from the Inspectional Service, saying that the M.O was cashed months before my company and I heard of the situation with the Area51.

I'm not bad mouthing any, I am just letting people know of the situation, and have them aware of what they could be possibly dealing with.

Now can we get this straight. Dave is saying you asked to use the name, but Ken, you're saying he insisted? Which one is it?

In legal and technical terms, Area51Fab gave the company up to you, since Dave could no longer handle it, financially. Apparently they had invest 13million dollars in research and development, he could of sold all his investment and research to many companys but he chosed to give it up to you without a penny given, thats pretty hard to believe. I understand dave is in a deep debt situation, but one think i cant understand is, he could of sold assets and other things to compensate for his debts.

Ok, I apologize in advance to other .NET members, but I am going to say something here.

Eminence is not lying, this WHOLE site knows what happened between he and A51. You my friend are falling right in line with A51 "old". Eminence explained to you why he has no invoice. It would take very little on your end to verify this. You care nothing about his greivance. Not that you should since you of course are not "A51 old" but A51 "new". When you accepted the Company name of A51 you could only expect that people would come looking for settlements on previous wrong doings by A51 "old".

I also find it interesting that you are selling some of A51 "old" product. Please tell me why Dave did not sell this product to pay for righting the wrongs?? You instead sell it.. WTF is that??? What a terrible way to do your business.

I have a set of A51 sways bars which are going to be ripped out of my car and sold. I want nothing to do with your business. I would rather have a stock setup than promote your product.

You made a HUGE mistake by insinuating that EMINENCE is lying, people here have a lot of respect for him.

 

[IS300GTR]

I have a set of A51 sways bars which are going to be ripped out of my car and sold. I want nothing to do with your business. I would rather have a stock setup than promote your product.

Tom those were a bitch to put on. eh well put on some hotchkis

 

[TomC]

I have a set of A51 sways bars which are going to be ripped out of my car and sold. I want nothing to do with your business. I would rather have a stock setup than promote your product.

Tom those were a bitch to put on. eh well put on some hotchkis

Da*n straight. I think I will toss the A51 sways in the Atlantic.

 

[IS300GTR]

there a nice color...we will figure something out...yo we need to have another meet befor winter

 

[Eminence]

thankz Tom for your input, in this subject matter. And i 100% agree with gallow about making this post public, this is the time and place to have the .net member place their input and thoughts about this company.

By the way Ken, it was my first post of Area51 that led to the .net member knowledge of the situation and mishap of Area51 Fab. I don't need to lie nor make up a story to make $1,000.

Again, if you are saying that Dave's staff kept such a precise documentation of their business accounts, then there shouldn't be such problem looking up my claim, on my account and seeing that the company cashed the Money Order, but never sent the merchandise to me.

P.S I'm up for the meet.

 

[IS300GTR]

eminence hows the v160 comin, i wanna check out ur ride in person instead of just at the shows.

 

[Eminence]

i am gettin rid of the v160 and have decided to go with th r154 instead because of the cost. Currently working with GTE, who is helping me find parts.

 

[13s_is300]

Wether you beleive me or not is not my concern because its the truth. To be a fabrication shop you have the ability to manufacture pretty much anything. Or at least a good fabrication shop anyways. In anycase I dont do any fabrication of any kind and only sell parts. No we did not purchase any rights from Area51Fabrications. The owner is a good freind of mine and said I could use the name and sell his product. Why would I say no. As much as some people may cry and say A51 did bad business its only because they have nothing better to do. All unsettled business from the old A51 I have personaly tried to settle even though being a seperate company its really not my concern. The old A51 does not owe anybody anything with the exception of a few that I am still currently working with and all accounts will be stettled. So once again two seperate companies guys. Different owners, different Staff and different markets. Hope this helps ....

So you stopped doing business as Area51 Fab to drop debts, then formed a new company with a very similar name which "purchased" the assets or rights to those assets (while dusting off the debt) so you could continue doing business? Sounds illegal at worst and very sketchy at best to me.

Who does the manufacture now if Area51 Fab isn't operational and you're "just a retailer". I dont' think you're just a retailer because you say straight out:

Area51Hyperformance sells the Area51Fabrications product and continues production on it because its a great product and there is still the demand for it. If any of you had millions of dollars of research and development, molds and jigs on any product that was still wanted it would only make sense to continue distributing the porduct

Oy. Maybe help shed a 'lil light here?

I know that I have stopped by the "new " A51 and gave ken my number to work on getting my suspension set up. that was 2 months ago adn no call back from ken. he has lost my bussiness. and i am going to take the A51 stb off my car, even though it was a pain in the ass to get on.

 

[hchan]

i am gettin rid of the v160 and have decided to go with th r154 instead because of the cost. Currently working with GTE, who is helping me find parts.

I want that v160.... sent you a pm. 8)