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post #16 of 25 (permalink) Old 07-10-2018, 04:24 PM
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Granted, the is300 is a great car. I love my is300. But if your saving up 5000 and sell your car also. Go ahead and upgrade to something nicer. In my opinion the IS300 is obsolete now. You can find is250, is350, 2008+g35 or even G37. They all put out much more horsepower & even gets better MPG as well. LSD are standard on some, they also come equipped in 6-speed manuals.

Indeed the W55 5-speed is rare, but the transmission itself is weak compared to its automatic counterparts . The LSD is rare also but is it worth keeping a car over? I mean, how much does a LSD mean to you?

Hell, if you want another is300, buy one, swap the LSD over, and upgrade to a W58 5-speed. Or even a supra 6-speed getrag, Hell, they even make mounts to attach 350z 6-speed transmission.
Obsolete in your world maybe. I disagree. There is always space for a good RWD, reliable, manual transmission, LSD, sporty car in the 2,900-3,400 lb range. A 5-speed is300, has a more durable, low-maintenance transmission than an Automatic is300. Also, an is300 > is250. An is300 is a much better sports car than an is250. I've driven an is250 manual, it was way softer, more boat-like, and more like a luxury, Lexus LS-type car. More insulation, vague steering, vague suspension, etc.

This is what makes me laugh though. What logical person would want a 350Z 6-speed transmission, instead of the Lexus 5-speed W55? The Nissan 350Z transmissions were notoriously bad. Very unreliable and high-maintenance. I knew a guy would had to change his entire 350Z transmission, 4 times, before 130k. And there are many cases like him, if you talk to 350Z owners, and scour the internet. My 3rd gen 4runner has 343,000 original miles, and is still on the same original transmission. Now that is a good transmission, very robust and well-made. Not some weak, unreliable, POS tranny, that "loses 2nd gear" after 30,000 miles.

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An is300 is a much better sports car than an is250.
Although neither is really a sports car.

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A 5-speed is300, has a more durable, low-maintenance transmission than an Automatic is300.
Can you present evidence or is this an "I feel like it should be this way" kinda statement? I've heard of a bunch and actually seen one w55 break under stock power (2nd gear).


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This is what makes me laugh though. What logical person would want a 350Z 6-speed transmission, instead of the Lexus 5-speed W55?
Research CD009.
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Although neither is really a sports car.
I called it "sporty" not a "sports car". Ok, for spirited driving, the is300 is much better than the is250. True, the is300 was not a pure sports car, in the classic sense. Nevertheless it was designed as a competitor for the BMW 3-series. At the time, Toyota had put their crosshairs on the BMW 3-series. They spent alot of time and resources, to create a 3-series rival, the is300. At the end of the day, it was no Camry. Toyota decided to release a RWD, 5-speed, LSD, 3,300 lb car. That is not something for soccer moms.

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Can you present evidence or is this an "I feel like it should be this way" kinda statement? I've heard of a bunch and actually seen one w55 break under stock power (2nd gear).
The W55 transmission was also used in 90's Toyota trucks, and the Lexus SC300. Many of which, if adequately maintained, passed 250k original miles, on the W55 transmission. The Lexus is300 is considered a reliable car, in general. (In stock form, not the cars that are modded up, because that is a crapshoot, depending on the owner). In stock form, the Lexus is300 is reliable and that is fact, not contested much. An informed person would have more confidence in the Lexus is300, compared to a Nissan 350Z or Infiniti G35. You have heard of a bunch of W55's failing under stock power? That sounds like a Lemon to me. And I do not recall there being many is300 lemons. Possibly, the previous owner modded the car to 400hp, then de-tuned the car before selling it, and that was the car those people were driving.

Do you own an Automatic Lexus? Because that's not 'sporty' homie. Why get a 'sporty' car like the is300 with an Auto, might as well get a Camry. When I state "low-maintenance", that relates to the lower costs in maintaining a Manual transmission, versus an Auto. It is cheaper to replace the clutch, or rebuild a manual tranny, than dealing with the problems of an Auto. Plus auto transmissions with over 150k make me nervous. They are like a ticking time bomb, something most people don't want to deal with.

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Research CD009.
Would still take a Toyota W55, or W58 transmission over the Nissan. I know the CD009, was the final version of the 350Z transmission, after so many people complained with the CD001-CD008. So for 3 years, Nissan was releasing suspect transmissions, to buyers. That's a joke. I would like to see some CD009's driving around, with over 250k original miles. Unless you are racing and want to mod up a car, on the cheap, the CD0009 shouldn't enter the equation. 80's, 90's, and early 2000's Toyotas are still the GOAT for reliability. Although Nissan did have a few solid vehicles: Hardbody trucks, 1st gen Frontier trucks, 90's 200sx, there were some more.

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You put the W55 through the abuse of drifting and it grenades with stock power. I have friends that have broken their W55's under stock hp.

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Are we talking about stock car and driving normally? Sounds like we shifting back and forth between normal daily driving and racing, modified cars and unmodified. Stock for stock with normal driving, W55 and CD009 can last over 200k (and yes, I've seen it on both) with maintenance. When you put racing and beating on the car constantly (drag and drift), it adds an abundance amount of stress on the transmission and they will likely fail. Given that, the CD009 can to hold more power than the W55 and it comes with new and better internals than it's predecessors, making it less prone to failure or breaking.. People use the CD009 because it's easily sourced brand new, it's 6 speed, and it's cheaper than a new R154 or a v160-161. It's an option for turbo'd IS300 that needs a transmission that can hold 400whp-600whp that is relatively cheap compared to the others.

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I am speaking about a stock car, (or near stock). Even if you only add 30hp to the car...the engine and transmission, are now handling power they were not engineered for. Once you start modifying, you go away from the intent of the original engineers. People will put on a turbo, and then blame the car when it fails. It wasn't designed for it, that's on you. I know a couple of guys who have 1st gen, is300's. 5-speed. Basically Stock. Both of them got over 250k original miles. They are not into drifting. I also owned one for a year, but sold it after getting into mountain sports, (wanted 4x4 and needed more space for gear, mountain bikes, etc.) Casually looking for another, it left a great impression on me. Nothing major went wrong in my time of ownership. All positive vibes from the car.

Ok so its no surprise, Drifting is an abusive activity on most cars. Again, most civilian cars were not designed for it, yet people will blame the car. You are stressing the chassis for prolonged periods, and abusing the transmission. Not to mention many other parts are being stressed, that I am not aware of. Some people treat their possessions and equipment like trash. It is like part of their personality. I mean, just do a craigslist search, for a used s13 or s14, Nissan 240sx in your area. Most of those cars are ran into the ground, abused, look like a nightmare, and are washed up. Yet some of those wackjobs want $8k for some banged up, crooked chassis, high mileage, drifting stickers all over it, etc. That reminds me, since I am in the market for an is300, to be wary of cars with Drift stickers now. The is300 apparently can't hold up well if you drift it often.

In regard to Nissan, and the 350Z (with CD009 tranny). I personally have not seen an HR 350Z with over 250k original miles. And if I did, would like to know some things from the owner. Those cars do not inspire the same confidence in ownership, that Toyota's did. The Build Quality did not match a Toyota. (And I have owned a 95 Nissan Pathfinder for 4 years, the 4runner had much better build quality). At the end of the day, if someone gave me the option: Here are two used cars to make a DD, with equal, well-maintained ownership : a 93 Lexus SC300 with 100k original miles, or a 08 Nissan 350Z with 100k original miles, I would still take the Toyota. The Nissan would still make me uneasy, with small things going wrong, that could add up in cost, (getting nickel-and-dimed alot), and the potential for a big failure in the engine/transmission. That's just my perspective at this point, who knows I might try one out for a few years, and see how it goes. Seems like the form of 350Z to get, and a fun car.

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You have bias mentality based on your experience and what you have heard, which is perfectly fine. A lot of people are like that. But you can't call all CD009 or Nissan car crap based off the few guys that blew up their transmission because they beat the crap out of it. It's like calling all w55 crap because 1/10th (made up percentage) of them blew up because the owner beat the crap out of it. Of course you are going to have the few transmissions that wasn't built correct and they crap out.

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The bias might come from experience, true. When I was a teenager, I worked as a pizza delivery driver. We had to use our personal vehicles. I saw many cars, try to handle that type of stress. The most bulletproof cars I saw, were 80's and 90's Toyotas. The Toyota pickups, Tacomas, Corollas, Camry's, and Celica's. Those Ford F-150's and Rangers would get run down pretty quick. Chevy, GMC, same story. There was a 2nd gen Frontier that didn't do too well. But much respect to the Nissan Hardbody, and 1st gen Frontier trucks, they could hold their own. Along with a few other Nissan cars, like those little 200sx's from the 90's. When you speak to several people over the years, and they give you same story, how Nissan in general cannot hold a candle to Toyota, from that era, then true, people come to conclusions. No doubt, the Nissan z32 300zx was a beautiful car. I knew a guy who owned one, a 300zx TT. He would complain alot. Terms such as, "high-maintenance", and "always in the shop," type of statements. Then, the 350Z was released years later. You cannot deny many of the early Nissan 350Z's were problem-laden. Why would a proud, longtime Toyota owner want to deal with that bs? The 350Z transmission seemed to be a dodgy one, especially pre-2007. Maybe you could trust it. After their first few years of production, I saw many complaints online, and stopped paying attention to them. Apparently they made a good effort, 4 years later after release, with the HR 350Z and CD009 transmission, honestly didn't even know about that update.

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Hello guys,

Thank you for the advice! I finished college and I'm happy to report that I did sell my first IS.

I bought another one with lower mileage! 188 000km, 5 speed/LSD, GGP. Brian from B auto helped me source it out all the from Winnipeg. We shipped the car using Livingston all the way here in Ontario!
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Congrats, that looks like it's in great shape for the mileage! I would pull off the rear "LEXUS" emblems on the left of the trunk, since it's missing the "IS300" on there.

What's your plans for this one?

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