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The new JDM Toyota Mark X - it's NOT the next IS

Toyota's latest model for the Japanese domestic market, the Mark X, has generated a notable buzz here on IS300.NET, and rampant speculation that it's the new Lexus IS. But is it really? In a word: NO! It's almost scary, however, how much it looks like an evolution of the current Lexus IS/Toyota Altezza. And, frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if the next Lexus IS winds up looking much like this Toyota Mark X.

Now that we know what it isn't, let's explore the significance of the Mark X. It sits on the exact same 112.2" wheelbase as the upcoming 3rd-generation Lexus GS, but is fractionally shorter (186.2" vs 189.8" for the GS), narrower (69.9" vs 71.7" for the GS) and taller (56.5" vs 56.1 " for the GS). My initial suspicions that the Mark X would replace the JDM Toyota Mark II appear to be correct, since the Mark II no longer appears on Toyota's Japanese website. The engine choices are the new 4GR-FSE 2.5-liter V6 and the 3GR-FSE 3-liter V6, just like in the JDM Toyota Crown Royal (and, most likely, the next Lexus IS). The Mark X is then most likely an alternative to the Toyota Crown Royal for one of Japan's 5 Toyota dealer networks that doesn't sell that model. It could also be seen as filling the narrow gap between the Lexus IS and GS, since it offers the upcoming IS engine choices in a GS-sized car (note that the V8 is NOT available in the GS-sized Mark X).

Our thanks to .NET Member Flipside909 for bringing this significant new Toyota model to our attention. For discussion and additional pictures of the Mark X, check out these threads in General Discussion and The Garage. The GD thread also includes a link to Toyota's Japanese website.

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I hope the next IS looks nothing like this. I personally think it looks like a family sedan.
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The first pic (or front end pic) looks like an Altima.

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Mark X? Nothing uncommon with the appearance.
Family sedan? true-true

got the beauty?

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Maybe I am getting old, but I could see that as my next car. Good handling, good horsepower, more room. All the things I want.
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The Mark X is definitely not a cool looking car.
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Any IS needs to have the bulge on the hood

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I seem to repeat myself, and so far no one has bit on it, but

where is the BULGE ?

Looks to me that one distinct design feature of the IS (Altezza) is the hood bulge. Reminds of the Jag nose of past, infers power, etc...

The Mark X would look much more in the IS vein with it.

Any designer comments?

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The side shot, looks like it has BMW and Mercedes features. Not too fond of it... Hope this isn't anything close to what the next gen. IS will look like... Too family car-like, doesn't have the late model IS's sport sedan look... EH, that's just my .02 cents worth...
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noooo!

Looks like a Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec-V in front and Maxima rear, not good
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I own a Mark II

Here are a few points.

1. My understanding is that the Lexus design center is off limits to Toyota designers. You cannot expect to get accurate ideas regarding future Lexus models by viewing the Toyota.jp web pages (unless they are talking specifically about Lexus). Toyota is planning to sell the next generation Lexus sedans in Japan under the Lexus banner. Lexus vehicles will no longer be re- badged JDM Toyotas.

2. Almost every Toyota sold in Japan can be had with a four wheel drive option.

3. They did sell the Mark II in the US. Like the IS and GS, it was a rear-wheel drive sedan that used a Supra in-line 6 Engine without the turbo option. In the US it was called the Cressida and was replaced with the Avalon (which was sold as the Pronard in Japan).

I am sure most of you know that the Avalon/Pronard is not an evolution of the Cressida. It is a front wheel drive V6 sharing the same platform as the Camry and the Windom/ES.

The Mark II platform evolved a branch in Japan called the Cresta which later became the Verossa. The Cresta continued the old boxy styling of the older Mark II/Cressida. The Cresta and Verossa were never sold in the US and are no longer sold in Japan.

The Mark II/Cressida really is the great grandmother of the GS300 and IS300.

Here is a great link with a history of the Cressida: http://cressida.christurner.net/history/

It now looks like the Mark II is evolving into the Mark X. They are abondoning the I6 in favor of the new V6 and appropriatly renaming the vehicle. I am sad to see the I6 go; I always admired its smooth quiet performace.

Here is a nice history of the M serries engine which evolved into the JZ:
http://www4.tpgi.com.au/users/loats/.../mhistory.html.

Finally, I do own a 1987 Cressida (aka Mark II). I liked driving a large sedan with a Supra engine. I enjoy my new SportCross even more, a small wagon with a Supra engine.

Let me know if you are interested in the Cressida --I will sell her soon. She will be missed.

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This is my grandma's future car, not mine. It has the styling of a Ford...

What are the expected, or feared, performance differences between the Lexus I6 and the new V6?
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Looks the same as the new Honda Accord V6

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Don't like it at all. I hope this car won't be the next IS!
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Geez, it looks HUGE. Kinda like a space ship or somethin'.

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