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Originally Posted by bt5150 View Post
As far as the "performance #'s" go, I'll second what several have mentioned, slight differences in what pro drivers got for times on a track are meaningless in the real world, you need a much bigger margin than that to have an obvious advantage.

As far as reliability goes, I see we might have the ONE guy in the world commenting who bought a Bimmer, Benz or Audi and who's had a great experience as far as reliability goes, but also keep in mind that ANY pre-owned car is also very dependent on how it was maintained.

I'm old enough (but just in my 40's, not that old right?) to have owned several Benzs, two Audis, but not yet a Bimmer as well a Lexus and two Acuras over the years. A couple rolled to me right off of the showroom floor, some were 2 or 3 years old and one, a 1977 450SL, was nearly 20 years old, but with only 55k on it when I bought it.

I love both the Germans and the Japanese cars for their own reasons, but I'd STRONGLY recommend anyone who's just dying to get ANY Bimmer, etc to just save up and wait till you can afford either new or used but still under FACTORY warranty! Of course, new is damn expensive, but you can expect OK reliability (as proven by one reliability study after the next, the Germans are behind US cars-or Ford and GM at least-in every one I've seen in the last 5 years at least) under warranty, but even then it is still a PITA to schedule ANOTHER dealer visit and yes, Benz, BMW etc will get you a loaner car (usually a C Class or 3 series, NOT a SL65 to joyride in till your car is once again fixed!) and that's a pain, even with the loaner when I don't have hours to spare in my very busy life.

A properly maintained Lexus (or Acura for that matter, never had an Inifiniti) will be what I'd call "bulletproof", which to me means not just some parts that may last forever, but the entire car lasting a LONG time with very few repairs and hassles, assuming its kept up correctly. I drove a ISF for a weekend once, a new one the local dealer amazingly let me just take for several days since I was a good customer and that was a hell of a great car and I agree 100% on that big V8, silky smooth, sounds awesome and really kicks it when you hit the gas!

The Germans make great cars too, but I'd be darn careful about buying more than slightly used. There's a damn good reason why for instance, a early 2000's CL 500 (MB top of the line other than AMG versions and CL600 and over $100K new) can be found on used car lots now for around 10 grand! That one is due mainly to an air suspension system that you'll be praying daily holds up, but will likely fail sooner or later and then its either wrenching on it yourself and still getting murdered for the parts, or paying someone more than the car is worth to fix it-FOR NOW!
I agree with most of this. Mercedes even admitted that their quality in the early 2000s had decreased significantly in order to make more money. Since then, their products have improved. Additionally, I feel Toyota/Lexus has declined ever so slightly. Would I still bet on the Toyota being more reliable than a German? Probably. But they are much closer now. Take a look at all the people that had issues with carbon buildup and engine wear on the IS250s. My best friend ended up having to trade his in because so much work was needed. One other thing to consider (and all cars are moving this direction now) is the IS-f is a direct injection engine. This means carbon will start to build up on the intake valves. I've done walnut blastings on numerous cars (RS4, MS3, etc) and can tell you that decarbonizing an engine is a pain. DI helps with everything else (power, mpg, etc) but is a pain eith maintenance compared to port injection. Again, I haven't seen too many big issues with this like the RS4 guys complain about, but just something to keep in your back pocket.

As far as loaners, MB wont give you a fast car but they give you nice ones. E-class or GLK 350s. My BMW friends tell me they get the next size up when they bring a car in (eg-3 series, loaner is a 5). Again, Lexus provides loaners. Just putting out specifics. I always tell people, with cars of this caliber, JUST DRIVE THEM and then see which you like. Im just glad I wasn't stupid and avoided the E60 M5 I thought I wanted.

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