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It seems the Toyobaru coupe is on hold, after all. The Left Lane folks were seemingly misquoting and misparaphrasing this article from Mark Phelan, a reputable longtime writer for the Detroit Free Press:

Subaru-Toyota compact project is on hold

The sporty compact car Subaru and Toyota were developing together has been put on hold because of the worldwide economic slowdown, both companies confirm.

The program had been developing a pair of sporty small cars for sale by both automakers in 2011. The companies' other high-profile collaboration, the assembly of Toyota Camrys in Subaru's Lafayette, Ind., plant, remains intact.

Toyota took a small stake in Subaru when GM ended its relationship with the all-wheel drive specialist in 2005.

The 2+2 compact sporty car had been slated to use a version of the Subaru Impreza's platform, horizontally opposed boxer engine and transmission. It reportedly modified Subaru's all-wheel drive drivetrain to a rear-drive setup and moved the engine slightly rearward in the chassis to improve weight distribution.

The car would have filled one of the few obvious gaps in Toyota's lineup, a small and affordable sporty car.

It would also have given Subaru a performance model priced below the $24,995 all-wheel drive Impreza WRX.

The Toyota and Subaru models reportedly had different exterior designs.

Subaru-Toyota compact project is on hold | Freep.com | Detroit Free Press

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Hmmm..
This one looks very similar to the rendering of the future Supra that was circulating around the web 4 years ago.
I think it looks fairly nice (Although I'm not exactly digging the front lights too much).


Thanks for sharing the link, too jruhi!
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Now it's NOT on hold, after all...

IL Insider: The "Toyobaru" Is "Still on Track"
by Peter Nunn - Edmunds Inside Line

TOKYO — If you've recently read a story or two about the delay, or even the demise, of the compact sport coupe that Toyota and Subaru are jointly working on, don't believe it. That's the message from knowledgeable PR sources in Japan, who tell Inside Line that this intriguing sports car program is still very much on track.

Last April, Toyota and Subaru confirmed they were working on a new compact, rear-wheel-drive sport-coupe project for 2011, the car the industry has since fondly come to know as the "Toyobaru."

To be built by Subaru and based off a new Subaru-developed platform (converted to rear-wheel drive), the sports car will also run with Subaru's prized boxer 2.0-liter engine. There will be both Toyota and Subaru versions of the car, each looking different but with the same normally aspirated flat-4 engine under the hood.

Japan's influential Nikkei business newspaper ran a headline story in December, meantime, claiming that in the wake of the severe market meltdown, the Toyobaru was being postponed.

Toyota and Subaru had decided to delay the start of production, the paper claimed, with production now "likely to be postponed to 2012 or later."

Both representatives from Toyota and Subaru's press offices in Tokyo have recently denied the story. "The project is still on track, according to the info I have on hand," says a Toyota spokesperson.

What has changed is the production site. The original idea was for Subaru to build a completely new factory in Oizumi, in Japan's Gunma prefecture, to build the car. But the economic crisis has now prompted Subaru to can that project, so the Toyobaru, when it is built, will be made inside Subaru's long-serving Gunma main plant, which is now due to be refurbished.

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The Big 3 Detroit carmakers have been capturing the world's headlines with their economic and product woes for the past several months, but the truth of the situation is that the whole industry is struggling. Toyota recently announced its first operating loss in 71 years, and then decided to push back development on its RWD sports car joint project with Subaru. But the project, feared dead, is in fact still simmering. According to an anonymous project planner on the sidelines of the Geneva Motor Show, the car would be on European streets by 2011.

Developing the information further, the source told Automotive News that the car would sit in about the same market space as the old Celica used to occupy. Subaru's parent company, Fuji Heavy Industries, has been working with Toyota on the development of a new RWD sports car for about a year now, but the continuing soft market and poor 2009 outlook led the companies to shelve work on the car. Saving production costs in a cash-strapped market is part of the reasoning, but also introducing a new car right now would almost certainly doom it to sales failure.

Another reason for the delay is the need to add D4S direct injection to the car's boxer-four for better power and efficiency, Toyota told the press at the Tokyo Auto Salon last month. The car's chassis and body development are finished, with the project bearing the code-name '086A' - a possible nod to the classic AE86 Corolla/Trueno that the joint project has been compared to so often.

But the Toyota-Subaru joint project isn't alone. All new production projects are being reviewed in an effort to help realign investment and development budgets with newly reduced profit forecasts. Last November the Japanese carmaker cut its future profit figures by 56% thanks primarily to poor sales in Europe and the U.S.

Earlier reports had pegged the 086A to begin production in March, 2012. Original plans had previously put the car's launch in late 2011, branded as a Scion in the U.S. The price target for the car is still intended to make the ¥2,000,000 mark, though whether it will sell in the U.S. for the equivalent $21,300 is up for debate.
Insider: Toyota-Subaru joint RWD could be on sale in Europe by 2011 - [Toyota Subaru 086A] - MotorAuthority - Car news, reviews, spy shots
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Looks like the Celica is back!!!!

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The last report about the on again/off again sports car being developed jointly by Toyota and Subaru was that it's on again. Today comes word from L'Automobile in France that not only is the rear-wheel-drive Toyubaru going to happen, but it will arrive bearing the Celica name sometime in 2010. If Wikipedia is to be believed, this would be the eighth generation of the Celica, which traces its roots all the way back to 1970 when it debuted in Japan as an inexpensive rear-wheel-drive sports car. Through the years it switched to front- and all-wheel drive, with the final seventh generation Celica sold from 2000 - 2005 being a strict cart puller. L'Automobile claims that Thierry Dombreval, Toyota's VP of sales and marketing in France, spilled the beans on reviving the Celica name, so we won't consider this news solid until a second source comes forward or Toyota officially confirms it, neither of which is likely to happen. So for now all you Celica fans should just sit tight and light a few candles for your cause.
REPORT: Toyota reviving Celica name for joint Subaru RWD car
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If it wasn't obvious to most of you already, this decision to go ahead with the Celica was due to the massive pre-orders for the Genesis two door.

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If it wasn't obvious to most of you already, this decision to go ahead with the Celica was due to the massive pre-orders for the Genesis two door.
If that is true, I sure hope Toyota is aware many of the pre ordered 4 cylinder cars were because of the tuning potential. Without a turbo nobody cares.

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If it wasn't obvious to most of you already, this decision to go ahead with the Celica was due to the massive pre-orders for the Genesis two door.
From all the accounts I've read about the neo-Celica/Toyobaru, I'd say it was never really cancelled, and the delay of about 6 months to a year was as much about fitting direct injection to the base 2-liter naturally aspirated Subaru-sourced flat four as about hesitation over bringing it out in a crappy economy.

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If that is true, I sure hope Toyota is aware many of the pre ordered 4 cylinder cars were because of the tuning potential. Without a turbo nobody cares.
Again, from what I've read, there might be a turbo, possibly AWD version later, but I don't think it will be available at launch.

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From all the accounts I've read about the neo-Celica/Toyobaru, I'd say it was never really cancelled, and the delay of about 6 months to a year was as much about fitting direct injection to the base 2-liter naturally aspirated Subaru-sourced flat four as about hesitation over bringing it out in a crappy economy.
The economy put this vehicle on hiatus. And I just talked to some of my colleagues about the news on the internet about the 'go ahead' and they are saying the vehicle is actually still on hold. However the Genesis pre-order has got TMC talking.

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The economy put this vehicle on hiatus. And I just talked to some of my colleagues about the news on the internet about the 'go ahead' and they are saying the vehicle is actually still on hold.
Wow! There are so many conflicting "It's on hold/no, it's just delayed a bit" stories, it drives you crazy and makes your head spin.

The "it's only delayed a bit so that we could add direct injection" stories are attributed directly to Akio Toyoda at the 2009 Tokyo Auto Salon, from what I read somewhere.

Still, I consider ISZach to be a VERY credible source.

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It would be great if they stuck the STi engine in the back as a mid engine! Think Posche!

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It would be cool, but the STI drive train would be to be reworked to make that happen, so keep dreaming

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Ah, this is great!!

I wonder if they might bring back the Supra (eventually)...
I guess we have the Genesis to partially thank lol.
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Yet another Toyobaru coupe rumo(u)r surfaces: that it might make its public debut this October at the Tokyo Auto Show, possibly in concept form. Also, it seems that "a unique head unit" for the Subaru flat four might increase the base, naturally aspirated version's powered output from the rumo(u)red 200 hp up to 220 hp:

2009 Tokyo Auto Show Preview: Production Lexus LF-A Supercar, Toyota-Subaru Sedan To Debut

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