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I'm making a valid point. Thinking the tires aren't good enough is no different than thinking the power isn't good enough. Especially if you really think the designers and engineers got exactly what they wanted out of this car.
But you can easily bolt on a new set of tires... bolting in a new engine is not as straightforward and requires a lot more $$$

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Oh holy shit......
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They arent the only ones.

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Waiting for the trd supercharger kit...

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With either engine or tires, there are many factors that come into play. Could they have designed an engine with more power? Yes, but that would have affected weight, mpg, cost, etc. Could they have used sticker tires? Yes, but that would have affected tire wear, mpg, cost, etc. They chose the options that best fit what they were trying to accomplish with the vehicle and I'd say they did quite well on all accounts.
This is exactly the point I was making. I was not actually trying to argue that the crap stock tires are the best option, just like I doubt the stock hp is the best option

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I may or may not have laughed...

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Waiting for the trd supercharger kit...
I'm also wait for the TRD kit, for my IS300 . Lol

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This is exactly the point I was making. I was not actually trying to argue that the crap stock tires are the best option, just like I doubt the stock hp is the best option
I actually think that ~200hp is perfect for a car of this weight.

It's not one of the giant steel fatasses we've sadly come to accept as normal, so it simply does not need more hp. if it had to drag around another 700 pounds (like an Sti) or 800 pounds (like an Evo) and had to push it through a lossy awd drivetrain, then it could use more hp.

There are two ways to do things in auto performance. You can add hp to a heavy car, which is the option we've all been stuck too because you can't accomplish any drastic weight reduction on a factory vehicle. When you add hp to a heavy car, you also need to add brakes to haul the porky fucker down from speed, need to add wider tires and also need to add invasive electronic nannies to keep the poor tires from crying themselves to a smoking mess when you try to move fatty forward from a stop. Even then, you have a car with a lot of weight which is working against you in every transition.

The other way, which can only really be done at the manufacturer level, is to reduce the performance car to its essential elements in order to reduce weight. This approach allows you to accomplish better braking on lesser tires and with smaller brakes (reducing unsprung weight). Because it doesn't have the power to break loose violently and unpredictably, the nannies can be less invasive. Also, you can more confidently get on the throttle earlier when coming out of a turn. The overall reduced weight works in the car's favor in every transition.

As I've said a million times, and as I think Subaru and Toyota have stated even louder by releasing their versions of this vehicle: If you want more power, buy a different car. There's no shortage of cars with higher HP available out there. Feel free to select one.

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Would have been nice had they matched the Elise' power/weight ratio at 10.5 vs the 13.5 the car had. That would be right around 250hp. I dont think anyone has ever complained that an Elise has too much power.

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Would have been nice had they matched the Elise' power/weight ratio at 10.5 vs the 13.5 the car had. That would be right around 250hp. I dont think anyone has ever complained that an Elise has too much power.
So Toyota should sell a Lotus Elise to the public for less than half the cost???

We gotta remember this is an entry level car...!

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So Toyota should sell a Lotus Elise to the public for less than has the cost???

We gotta remember this is an entry level car...!
Well you gotta remember that they were damn close to doing that before. The MR-S back in the day weighed in very very close to the Elise. However, the Elise got the GOOD engine from Toyota and the MR-S got bottom of the barrel shit. If they'd put a decent engine into the MR-S I believe it's future would have been DRASTICALLY different. People would be selling/pawning/stealing to get enough money to buy one.

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has = half

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I knew what you meant chap. We're on the same page. I've thought about building an MR-S Elise beater more than once. In the end I thought it would be easier to just buy a used Elise lol (which I'm still considering)

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