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post #16 of 46 (permalink) Old 12-11-2009, 11:29 AM
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It's said they've shed weight. Still waiting to test drive the new 5 in order to see if it's true.
To go from less than 3000 pounds to almost 4000 pounds and then come back down to ~3790 is not a weight 'loss' overall, IMHO.

Whenever I see a current 3 series next to a 90's 5-series it seriously looks like the new 3 is bigger than the 5 from not too long ago.

Seriously, if your wife/gf gained 100 pounds in a few years and then switched to frozen yogurt instead of ice cream ad lost 5 pounds, would you consider the problem solved?

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Was hoping for a hardcore 4 cylinder turbo 1 series, getting closer to 3000 lbs. This one will be more like 3500 lbs. Guess it's cheaper to just boost the 3.0L turbo a bit.
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It'll be getting a revised engine. The N55, which has a single turbo but is twin scroll. Puts out the same amount of HP and Torque, but the torque comes on 1000 RPM's sooner.

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You're forgetting about the M3.b special edition... lol


At this day and age... why would somebody be hard against having a turbo engine. Manufacturers have come a long way in reducing lag... and unless you are heavy into boost... you won't burn as much fuel as a large displacement NA engine with similar output specs.
having owned a few boosted cars, and working at a BMW, Audi, Porsche, and Subaru dealership. I have found that i really like driving some non boosted cars. example: 300zx boost, bmw 2002 no boost.

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BMW’s M division has started development of an M version of the 1-series coupé, set to be equipped with a twin-turbocharged six-cylinder engine producing 350bhp.

The new two-door, details of which were first uncovered by Autocar back in November, has now been added to BMW’s stable of future production models, with right-hand-drive UK sales set to begin in mid-2011.

Artist renderings of how the BMW M1 will look

The decision to put the car into production has been attributed to an “overwhelmingly positive reaction” to recent customer clinics, according to at least one high-ranking BMW official. Aimed at attracting younger customers to BMW’s performance cars, the new coupé is set to become the M division’s most affordable model.

It will slot into the range beneath the M3 coupé, and should cost around £38,000, £8000 more than the 135i Coupé M Sport. That means it will compete directly with Audi’s forthcoming RS3.

Revealing the plans for the new 1-series-based model, M division boss Kay Segler said, “I want to set a clear signal that our products are financially accessible.

“With the modular production processes in place at BMW, it is possible to create performance cars that customers can not only dream about owning but also realistically afford.”

BMW is still deciding whether or not to call the car M1, a name originally used on the firm’s legendary road racer supercar in 1978. Inspiration for the new car comes from BMW’s tii concept, a sporting version of the 1-series coupé that was revealed at the 2007 Tokyo motor show.

While the powerplant in that car was never revealed, the new M car will use a revised version of BMW’s latest turbocharged straight six. In standard guise the 3.0-litre unit, recently unveiled in the 535i GT, uses a twin-scroll turbo aimed at providing a more linear delivery of power and better fuel economy than the earlier twin-turbocharged unit used in the 135i.

For the new M car the engine will re-adopt a twin-turbocharged layout, although the new system is said to differ quite dramatically from that used on the older engine; it’s likely to get a new turbo and a more efficient intercooler arrangement.

The modifications are said to be on a similar level to those seen in the recently introduced X5 M and X6 M, whose 547bhp twin-turbo 4.4-litre V8 has big changes compared with the standard V8 versions used in the X5 and X6.

The output of the new M six-pot is expected to climb to around 350bhp, some 48bhp more than the existing 135i M Sport but 70bhp less than the M3’s naturally aspirated 4.0-litre V8. More than outright power, though, it is torque that is likely to play a more significant role in defining the new car’s character.

No figures have been released, but with BMW’s standard turbocharged 3.0-litre six already producing an M3-equalling 295lb ft, the newly developed M version of this engine should be good for at least 310lb ft.

The basis for the new M-car is today’s 1-series coupé. Its driveline is likely to feature a standard six-speed dual-clutch gearbox and an electronically controlled M differential.

With a kerb weight of not much more than 1500kg, its straight-line performance should be close to that of the 1580kg M3. A relatively short 3.15:1 final drive promises a 0-60mph time of around 5.5sec.

Fuel-saving measures such as brake energy regeneration and possibly a stop-start system should also ensure the new M1 is no thirstier than the 135i, which is rated at 30.7mpg in six-speed manual guise.

Underneath, the layout of the 1-series coupé’s MacPherson strut (front) and multi-link (rear) suspension will remain the same. However, BMW’s M division engineers have set about altering the suspension properties, with firmer spring and dampers and a new set of bushes, along with lightweight 18-inch alloy wheels. “We’re aiming to make it a lot more dynamic than the standard 135i,” said Segler.

Setting the M1 apart from the standard 1-series coupé will be a typically subtle M division body kit, including a deeper front spoiler, flared front wheel arches, chunkier sills, a rear deck spoiler and a deeper rear valance with four chromed exhaust pipes.

Assembly of the newest M-car is likely to take place at BMW’s Leipzig factory in Germany. alongside standard versions of the 1-series coupé.

But with 18 months to go until it goes on sale in the UK, Segler is remaining coy about projected volumes. “We’re confident it will draw new customers to the M line-up, but in these difficult economic times it’s impossible to say how it will fare,” he said. “It does, however, reveal where the brand is heading.”

BMW to unleash 350bhp M1 - Autocar.co.uk

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Why not add stiffer suspension, wider traction, areo kit, and throw the M3 V8 in...

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Why not add stiffer suspension, wider traction, areo kit, and throw the M3 V8 in...

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Because then M3 sales would suffer.

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Will it be called the M1? Or should they call it the 135i tii? There are a lot of hard core fans that say it shouldn't be called the M1. What do you guys think?

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Because then M3 sales would suffer.
Obvisously they would need to make the M3 the turbo they are looking into.

Why waste a N/A engine though? I say stuff it in the 1. I'd find a way to order one if that's the route they were going to take. Id sell off both my cars and give up many other luxuries I have for a car like that.

It should be called the 135 M... M1 should be a super car.
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Obvisously they would need to make the M3 the turbo they are looking into.

Why waste a N/A engine though? I say stuff it in the 1. I'd find a way to order one if that's the route they were going to take. Id sell off both my cars and give up many other luxuries I have for a car like that.

It should be called the 135 M... M1 should be a super car.
Or they could use the tii badge.

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Or they could use the tii badge.
Right, either way works for me. As long as the performance is still M and gut pushing G's im happy calling it a Kia...
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Obvisously they would need to make the M3 the turbo they are looking into.

Why waste a N/A engine though? I say stuff it in the 1. I'd find a way to order one if that's the route they were going to take. Id sell off both my cars and give up many other luxuries I have for a car like that.

It should be called the 135 M... M1 should be a super car.
The original M1 wasn't that super. There's really no need to retire the M1 name for that thing.

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There may not be a need to... but they apparently are going to retire the M1 name.

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There may not be a need to... but they apparently are going to retire the M1 name.
Yeah, the M1 was the BMW super car. I'm hoping it gets the tii badge, but why should I get an M3 when I can have everything the M3 has for less? It's going to get a DCT, and M suspesion, and Diff. What sets it apart from it's older brother? Just like the 335is that's been announced. Why should I buy an M3 when I get 350 lb feet of torque and 350 HP?

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